Mark Watches ‘Battlestar Galactica’: S01E12 – Kobol’s Last Gleaming, Part 1

In the twelfth episode of the first season of Battlestar Galactica, SHIT JUST GOT SO UNBELIEVABLY REAL. Intrigued? Then it’s time for Mark to watch Battlestar Galactica.

WHAT THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED?

I refuse to process any of this. It’s just…holy shit.

SHIT JUST GOT REAL MOMENTS
Found Entirely in ‘Kobol’s Last Gleaming, Part I’

  • THAT COLD OPEN. I loved how silent it largely was, moving from scene to scene to show us what these different parties were up to post “Colonial Day.” It was done incredibly well and was one hell of a way to set up all the pieces that would fall apart during the course of this first half of the season one finale.
  • STARBUCK HAD SEX WITH BALTAR. WHAT. I mean, it does make sense, and Starbuck’s own insistence on believing that nothing can go right for her would lead her to sabotage the one relationship that IS going extremely well. BUT OMG ~drama~
  • STARBUCK CALLED BALTAR “LEE.” oh shit OH SHIT.
  • Boomer. 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 Oh my god, there’s no doubt in my mind that the Cylon human models are about as human as anyone could be, as I can’t imagine anything more human than despair. Oh, Boomer. Your story is so sad.
  • Roslin has six months to live. WHY IS THERE SO MUCH TRAGEDY IN ONE EPISODE.
  • Boomer and Crashdown discover a new planet! It’s not earth, but its composition implies that humans could survive there.
  • BALTAR REJECTS SIX. Again, Six’s reaction to this shows me that the Cylons are absolutely capable of human emotion on a genuine scale. She’s clearly hurt and dejected from this. I’m also fascinated by it on a personal level for Baltar. He is being used by those around him. Yes, Baltar is an asshole, a self-serving one at that. But it’s also true (and not mutually exclusive) that so many parties, Six included, use the doctor for their own needs. It’s a careful balance between the two, but I think the writers pull it off well.
  • CHRIST, HELO SHOOTS BOOMER. Oh my god, I am going to start sobbing WHY IS HER STORY SO DEPRESSING.
  • ROSLIN HAS A VISION OF THE CITY OF THE GODS ON KOBOL.
  • No, wait THEY FUCKING FOUND KOBOL, THE BIRTHPLACE OF MANKIND. oh. OH MY GOD, OH MY GOD.
  • Oh my god the Arrow of Apollo and the Tomb of Athena oh my god. (Also, I initially thought the Arrow of Apollo was Apollo’s ship.
  • ahhhhhhhh that goddamn scene between Baltar, Six, and Boomer. Oh my fucking heart, so brilliantly acted, and with a wonderful subtext about love, morality, and responsibility. Baltar defies Six and tells Boomer that she should follow her heart and do what feels right, not what she feels obligated to do. It’s a message to himself, in a way, but I’m not sure he’s going to follow his own advice.
  • BOOMER SHOOTS HERSELF. OH MY GOD.
  • How does this show continually give us intensely awkward scenes between its characters? I don’t know if this is quite as bad as the dinner scene with Ellen Tigh, but when Lee and Starbuck fight, Lee clearly jealous that Starbuck had sex with her, it’s ENTIRELY AWFUL. Mom and dad are fighting MAKE IT STOP
  • THE PUNCHES. Oh my god, they are both so well-timed and sudden and they made me curl up in terror. WHY CAN’T THEY JUST GET ALONG oh god. Why are they both acting so terribly, and why is Lee being SO IRRITATING ABOUT THIS? It’s not like they were in a monogamous relationship, and you certainly hadn’t made moves on her, so SHUT UP, LEE.
  • Ugh, BOOMER MISSED. SHE DID NOT KILL HERSELF. How heartbreaking is her scene with
  • THERE ARE ATHEISTS! Ok, well, maybe that’s a very western word and perhaps it doesn’t even exist in this universe at all, but I was really excited to see two different non-believers in this universe (Adama and Billy), and even two different sets of believers (Roslin and Elosha, and Starbuck). The writers have taken the vast landscape of possible religious belief and tried to represent it faithfully, and I really adore that. Not all atheists or non-believers are the same, and not all religious folk are the same, and we’ve now scene very different degrees of that in these characters. Still, it’s nice to see non-belief represented so well in just a single episode! Even more interesting than that, it’s setting up an obvious conflict between Adama and Roslin.
  • A;LKSDJFA;LSKFDJSA;DLFKFD THE RAPTORS ARE ATTACKED BY CYLONS AND THERE IS A BASESTAR AND ONE IS DESTROYED AND THE ONE WITH CRASHDOWN, CALLY, AND BALTAR CRASHES ON KOBOL AND THE SCENE IS SO INTENSE AND OH MY GOD WHAT IS GOING ON.
  • Starbuck’s plan–while dangerous–is BRILLIANT. Use the Cylon’s own ship against them. HEAD EXPLOSION. Oh god, I love you, Starbuck.
  • LEE. STARBUCK JUST APOLOGIZED TO YOU. WHEN WILL SHE EVER DO THAT AGAIN. CHRIST, JUST ACCEPT IT.
  • I mean, seriously, WORST PLACE TO END EVER. EVER. EVER. Starbuck is convinced by Roslin–because Adama lied to her–to head to Caprica. SHE IS GOING TO GODDAMN CAPRICA. Oh my god, what if she gets Helo? OH MY GOD WHAT THE FUCK.

THIS GODDAMN SHOW. Do you realize how unprepared I am? OH MY GOD. I’m actually completely into this idea that Roslin might actually be part of this cyclical nature of life. It’s not so much a prophecy as it is a pattern, at least as much as I understand it here. It echoes Conoy’s words, too. Was he legitimately telling the truth? What if this is all a part of some greater con that we don’t know about?

Oh god, how are they going to rescue those on Kobol? What about the Cylon basestar? With Starbuck gone with the only Cylon Raider, did she just doom everyone else? AHHHHHHHHHH MUST KEEP WATCHING AHHHHHHHH.

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139 Responses to Mark Watches ‘Battlestar Galactica’: S01E12 – Kobol’s Last Gleaming, Part 1

  1. knut_knut says:

    THERE ARE A MILLION THINGS GOING ON (NYOOO Boomer! OMG KOBOL!) SO I WILL FOCUS ON JUST ONE:

    LEE MIDDLENAME ADAMA WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! Did I miss something in the previous episodes where Lee and Starbuck professed their love to each other and agreed to be monogamous? Because last time I checked, serious eye fucking and awkwardly adorable flirting are neither a confession of one’s true feelings nor a binding contract. I get that he is heartbroken and feels betrayed- I feel the same way! (although to a lesser extent obviously…) Do you know how excited I was when I thought Lee and Starbuck were finally getting together only to find out it was Baltar, who I love dearly but no…although I did feel bad for him. But hitting your friend? And being a general ass towards them? Really, Lee? KEYBOARD SMASH RAGE AND DISAPPOINTMENT

    ps I like the layout!

  2. [youtube WSYPYq9D_No http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSYPYq9D_No youtube]

    My most-played BSG track. As beautiful as any piece of canonical classical music I've ever heard.

    As for Part 2? YOU ARE NOT FRAKKIN' PREPARED.

  3. echinodermata says:

    Bear McCreary's work on this show is superb. That entire opening of the episode was quite good all around, but the music! Makes it work so well.

    And then the scene with Boomer and Baltar! Quite enjoyed it. Kudos to Grace Park, who just sold the sadness and (in this context) innocence of her character here. Lovely.

    I must say, however, that I utterly hate love triangles. DNW so much! Shut up, Lee. I don't expect much of Baltar, but Lee, be better than that.

    EDIT: Cool banner.

    • psycicflower says:

      That whole fight between Lee and Starbuck I actually shouted at the screen 'She's allowed to have sex Lee!' He really took some cheap shots.

    • rabbitape says:

      Oh man, Grace Park slays me with her portrayal of suicidal Boomer. She looks so profoundly lost and anguished. If that scene had lasted a second longer, I would have just collapsed from the despair of it.

  4. enigmaticagentscully says:

    The holy shit quotient just went through the ROOF!
    I can't even talk about this episode much because I got too excited and went ahead and watched the next one as well today. Oops!

    I do love Billy calling out Roslin on her actions. Though I'm a huge Roslin stan, and I think in this situation she's right (all the evidence does point to the scriptures having a basis in fact) it's nice to see that Billy isn't just a mindless follower. He has his own beliefs, and he isn't afraid to express them, even if he always stays loyal to her in the end. Love you Billy! I wish I had a Billy.

    BUT Lee and Starbuck annoy me a little here. I mean, I feel awful for them and I just want them to make up and be happy but…wow Lee was acting like a douche. Kara can sleep with whoever she wants to! When she apologised to him I was just yelling at her not to. You don't owe him an apology!

    • echinodermata says:

      "Kara can sleep with whoever she wants to! When she apologised to him I was just yelling at her not to. You don't owe him an apology!"

      Seriously.

  5. psycicflower says:

    I know everyone is going to be talking about this one but I just can’t not link to it. Passacaglia is an amazing piece of music. I could listen to it on repeat all day and just let myself get swept away by it. I’m also quite fond of Kobol’s Last Gleaming

    Boomer and Crashdown find everything, I don’t know why they bother sending out other raptors.

    Love the scene with Gaius, Six, Roslin and Billy. It’s perfectly done with Gaius managing to hold both conversations at once while still seeming strange to Roslin and Billy. The BSG cast continue to make the best faces and have the best timing.

    Really though this episode feels like everything is unravelling, and at a fairly quick pace. Roslin has six months to live, Helo shot Sharon and she’s completely lost his trust, Lee and Starbuck fighting, Starbuck feels betrayed by Adama and flies back to Caprica. And Boomer, oh Boomer. I can’t imagine how hard this is for her thinking she’s a danger to the people she cares about. I thought (hoped) maybe she’d be okay after Gaius telling her she was human but clearly she’s not.
    ’Life can be a curse as well as a blessing. [more intensely] You will believe me when I tell you: there are far worse things than death in this world.’ ‘So you’re saying…’ ‘No. No, no, no. What I say…is meaningless. Listen to your heart. Embrace that which you know to be the right decision.’
    Goddamn you Gaius! Six had the right idea with you

    Mark, this is only Part 1. You are not prepared.

    • enigmaticagentscully says:

      Love the first gif!
      Again, that scene is just endlessly hilarious to me when I realise that Mary McDonnell has to act as if she doesn't see the scantily clad woman sitting on her desk and carrying on a completely separate conversation.

      • psycicflower says:

        It's amazing how well everyone on BSG manages to ignore Six. It must've been a little bit strange during 'Six Degrees of Separation' when they could actually interact with a Six.

    • katherinemh says:

      Boomer and Crashdown find everything, I don’t know why they bother sending out other raptors.

      They must be Hufflepuffs.

    • NB2000 says:

      <3 that first gif. that moment will never stop making me laugh.

      As for that last gif, kudos to James Callis for forcing himself onto the mirror in the shot where Six isn't present. He's hitting it hard enough (if not with his head then at least his hands) for the wall to shake slightly.

    • lyvanna says:

      Ahhhh! The scene with Gaius and Boomer makes me hate him so hard. Perfect gif is perfect.

      I mean, ok, in a way maybe he thinks he's saving loads of lives because Six has told him something is gonna go down with Boomer…. so maybe it's actually the first brave thing he's ever done….? Arg, too confusing. I physically hurt when he kisses the top of Boomer's head before leaving.

    • Oh god that last gif is going to break my heart. Baltar's a bastard but he's a bastard that I love, and the way he acts out his self-loathing with Six is just… man it pretty much always gets me.

  6. monkeybutter says:

    I don’t know if this is quite as bad as the dinner scene with Ellen Tigh, but when Lee and Starbuck fight, Lee clearly jealous that Starbuck had sex with her

    lol, awesome typo makes it seem like Starbuck and Ellen had sex. Colonel Tigh is gonna be soooooooo pissed.

    AGH, THIS EPISODE. Everything is fucked up! Poor Boomer, her depression and loss of sense of self is so sad. And Sharon isn't exactly in great shakes either. Argh, Helo, did you have to shoot her? I know why he did it, but I pity Sharon and also love that she's showing how alive she is. Grace Park is so good.

    Lee and Starbuck! All of my ships, crashing around me. Lee, you're kinda being a jerk. You need to stop that. I also felt awful watching Starbuck's face as she lost trust in Adama. Now she's off to Caprica to find the Arrow of Apollo. God, is it too much to hope that she runs into Helo and Sharon? Or would that be a very bad thing? Ahhh, I need more!!

    Message to Six: what the hell is your skirt?

    • enigmaticagentscully says:

      "All of my ships crashing around me."

      A good synopsis for the two-parter in general.

    • NB2000 says:

      I may be mistaken but I think Six is wearing the same outift that she was wearing in the miniseries when she was telling Gaius who she really was. It was still pretty wtf back then.

      • enigmaticagentscully says:

        Maybe it's her SRS BUSINESS outfit.

        • psycicflower says:

          Killing babies and committing genocide just isn't the same without the right SRS BUSINESS outfit.

      • monkeybutter says:

        I never noticed it, but I think you're right! Thanks for pointing that out. Does that mean it's her disaster-is-looming outfit? By the state of things at the end of the episode, all signs point to yes!

        • enigmaticagentscully says:

          We should write a paper on the significance of Sixes various outfits.

          SHE'S WEARING A BRIGHT PINK DRESS WITH GREEN POLKA DOTS. CLEARLY THIS MEANS BOXEY WILL BE REVEALED TO BE THE CYLON GOD.

          • psycicflower says:

            Oh my god SPOILERS! Next you'll be telling Mark how the aluminas orange bath robe means that Boomer and Crashdown will actually fail to find something.

  7. NB2000 says:

    Mark's mind is so blown he cannot finish his point about the Boomer/Tyrol scene!

    Love the new banner!

    Love the music playing over the cold open montage. Have we mentioned recently how awesome Bear McCreary is? Because he is made of awesome. Six sitting off to the side of the Baltar/Kara section…was she there the whole time? Because…awkwaaaard.

    The scene on Colonial One with Gaius, Laura and Six is just so hilariously awkward. Gaius attempting to juggle two very different conversations at once and James Callis handles it beautifully. Laura and Six's joint "Plaything?!" makes me giggle every time.

    • lyvanna says:

      Heh, I totally couldn't remember who met with Boomer so thanks for reminding me.

      Now I'm sad. That whole scene…gah, "I didn't forget" and,

      Boomer: I wake up in the morning and I wonder who I am. I wake up and wonder if I'm gonna hurt someone.
      Tyrol: Sharon, you need help.
      Boomer: Not from you, you made that clear. I'm o­n my own.

      🙁

      • enigmaticagentscully says:

        Oooh, the way she says "You made that clear" gets me every time.
        It's like a verbal slap in the face to Tyrol, basically reminding him that, yeah, you broke up with her in quite a brutal way, left her to deal with her problems on her own, and yeah, this probably is partly your fault.

  8. enigmaticagentscully says:

    On a random note, anyone notice that Six's outfits are getting darker? That doesn't bode well…

    • knut_knut says:

      I noticed that too! And in general, she seems to be a bit more covered. Also, does she tend to wear that aquamarine colour when talking about religion? I'm trying to remember when/why she wears that colour.

    • monkeybutter says:

      If by "darker" you mean "random sparkly holographic lamé-topped skirt," yes.

      • enigmaticagentscully says:

        Oh you know what I mean. 😛

        That skirt is fabulous, by the way. I would wear the hell out of that skirt. Maybe only when there was no-one else around though.

        • monkeybutter says:

          Haha. Or out at night, that'd be okay. It's just that I associate that fabric with stereotypical futuristic space scenarios, or terrible late 90s, early 00s fashion, and it made me cringe.

      • Noybusiness says:

        Isn't it the same outfit the real Six on Caprica was wearing in the Miniseries?

    • notemily says:

      What jarred me was that she was wearing nude lipstick. WHAT HAPPENED TO RED.

  9. enigmaticagentscully says:

    Also, Boomer and Crashdown seem to find everything there is to find, even when they aren't trying to. Water, fuel, mythical planets…they should just type in random co-ordinates into their Raptor and they'd probably find Earth.

    They are clearly Hufflepuffs.

  10. cait0716 says:

    Ugh this episode. Just when everyone was happy everything goes to shit. BSG, why are you so bleak?

    I love the scene at the poker table with Gaius drunkenly ranting at Lee who doesn't put it together until Starbuck shows up and tries to play it cool. So awkward.

    • enigmaticagentscully says:

      "You can't compete with me! I ALWAYS WIN."

      Oh I love James Callis, he hams it up beautifully.

  11. Kaci says:

    I…got SUPER uncomfortable watching the argument between Lee and Starbuck because it kept hitting all my slut-shame buttons and I wanted to punch him, and I've never felt that way about Lee before, who I've always found to be a generally good guy who appreciates and respects the agency of the women around him. Don't get me wrong, I understand where he was coming from, and I don't think I'm angry with him, I'm just…uncomfortable. Yeah. That's a good word for it.

    Both Boomers are breaking my heart and I freaked out so much and I'm so on-edge waiting to get home today and watch the next episode. I watched this episode on Friday when I got home from work and have had to wait three whole days to see the next one. This is killing me, Mark. How do you do it?

    • rabbitape says:

      Yeah, the Lee/Starbuck argument was painful. He FEELS SO MANY EMOTIONS and she withholds so many emotions, and those two are like caged animals whenever it comes to their non-relationship relationship.

      • redheadedgirl says:

        I was trying to explain the Starbuck/Lee relationship to my roommate last night (I'm mainlining, and she's been catching snippets) and I finally said that they each kind of want to be each other's Facebook "It's Complicated" but they can't even get that right.

    • notemily says:

      I was glad when Starbuck punched him, because the shit he was saying deserved a punch.

      On the Wiki, Jamie Bamber talks about how he thinks the emotions Lee's feeling in this episode take him by surprise. He's not prepared, so he's not acting like himself. I don't think he was fully aware of what he felt for Starbuck until now. Maybe he's still not.

  12. enigmaticagentscully says:

    It's kind of weird, I've played the board game so many times…and the aim of the game is to get to Kobol, because it really only covers season one. So now every time I watch this episode I think 'Oh, the game's ended! They won!'

    • I just bought the game! I can't wait to play it with people! Hm, it shouldn't have spoilers past season one, should it? How long till Mark can play it?

      • enigmaticagentscully says:

        Also, just a fair warning, when I first started playing it with my family, the Cylons won like 90% of the time. It's a little depressing – that little population dial just goes down and down…
        And boy, I've never played a game that makes you more paranoid about the people you know. About ten minutes in I was convinced they were ALL Cylons.

        Gods I love that game.

        • cait0716 says:

          haha, that reminds me of a game my aunt used to have called Nuclear Annihilation. No matter what you did everyone died at the end of the game.

          I need to get a copy of the BSG game.

        • Oh, yeah, the Cylons always frakking win. I've only played one game in real life but several online, and I've never seen the humans win.

          I am looking forward to playing a game that lasts three hours instead of two months. Although we've been playing with the expansions online, so I will miss all those extra characters and cards and locations and everything.

        • psycicflower says:

          I really want to track this game down now. Turning against each other is the funniest part of most games.

          • In the first game I played, we all ganged up on this one guy who was very quiet and didn't do a very good job defending himself, and so we threw him in the Brig.

            Turned out he was human and the two people who had been leading the charge to brig him were Cylons.

            • enigmaticagentscully says:

              In the first game I played I was a Cylon! And by a strange twist of fate, I ended up as Admiral AND President.
              I wiped the floor with them. Good times.

          • hpfish13 says:

            Indeed! That's my favorite part of Settlers of Catan. You make an agreement with someone who's losing, and the minute they're winning, you're suddenly worst enemies.

            • enigmaticagentscully says:

              My sister always wins Settlers of Catan for some reason. She has an uncanny knack for getting the longest road…
              Must be that Civil Engineering degree.
              😛

              • hpfish13 says:

                My little sister always wins at Settlers of Catan too! Then again she usually wins at all strategy board games. I'll teach her a game and she'll lose the first time because she's figuring out how to play. Then she wipes the floor with everyone from that point on.

                • cait0716 says:

                  This is how my boyfriend is. I almost never win games I play against him. It was frustrating until I realized that I destroy pretty much anyone else I play because competing with him actually does improve my skills.

                  • hpfish13 says:

                    We've adapted to always playing till someone gets second place. She's really good in a group setting at subtly getting everyone else to compete with each other and forget about dealing with her.

                • enigmaticagentscully says:

                  Heh, I have a reputation for usually losing dismally at board games!
                  Still, it's only a game, right? The mating call of the loser.

        • Hamnoo says:

          I need some RL friends that geek over BSG as much as I. Then I could play that game because it sounds awesome.

  13. Maya says:

    Oh my pilots. Lee and Kara are seriously like those two kids in middle school that clearly like each other and don't like anyone knowing about it so they are eternally mean to each other and screw up their friendship.

    JUST MAKE OUT ALREADY, GOD.

    The only other thing can say about this without ruining Part 2 is HOLY SHIT PASSACAGLIA. Bear McCreary, how so awesome??????

  14. Maya says:

    Also, love love love the new banner. I say "frakkin'" all the time. Such a useful word….

  15. Ryan Lohner says:

    "Plaything?" How the hell did McDonnel and Helfer both do that with a straight face?

    So apparently Socinus got out for good behavior, or something. Actually, there is a deleted scene that explains it's because they're so short on pilots, but it's irritating that we don't get an explanation onscreen.

    • ChronicReader91 says:

      I went and watched the deleted scenes immediately after the finale. There are quite a few from those last two episodes, and they really add a lot to the story.

  16. pica_scribit says:

    I think the thing I love most about this show so far (and there are lots of others) is Lee and Starbuck's relationship. They have a complete relationship of equals and there's no sense that they will treat one another differently or with less respect because one is male and one is female. In fact, Starbuck brilliantly busts through every gender stereotype, and yet she is still clearly a woman who is comfortable with herself as a woman (she did look so pretty in that dress!). She's fabulous.

  17. klmnumbers says:

    My comment isn't terribly profound, but I love the actor that plays Crashdown because he shows up in EVERYTHING. Every time I saw him on BSG, I just imagined him on Dexter in the scene where he is caught in the hotel room and just starts singing creepishly.

    • Ryan Lohner says:

      And now Edward James Olmos is in season six.

    • Maya says:

      He's in the American "Being Human" now too. I haven't watched it on principle, but I saw the cast's panel at Comic-Con and holy crap, they are hysterical/adorable. He kept cracking jokes about all the orgies they have on set. It almost made me want to see the show.

      • Yes! That panel was incredibly entertaining for a show I don't watch.

        • Maya says:

          I know, right? Like, I was amazed at how much I paid attention, considering that they were RIGHT BEFORE Community, and I had spent most of the "Sanctuary" panel bouncing in my seat. I think they just have excellent cast chemistry that comes across in person. That, and you know, orgies.

      • klmnumbers says:

        Aw, give the new one a shot, imo. I've watched both (and am a HUGE fan of the British series). It's definitely an ~Americanization. Plus, it's on Syfy rather than the Beebs, so the production values aren't as great, but the 'George' character of Josh is really great. He's much geekier, and I think the American version did a much better job of some things-

        Like the vampire threat feels more like a threat. It was always so nebulous in the UK version and didn't seem all that connected. Similarly, the US version handles the pedophilia storyline about a BILLION TIMES BETTER. The first episode is basically a rehash of the pilot of the UK version, but give it a shot if you have time.

        Just think of it as an entirely different show! (because it is!)

        • notemily says:

          There's a pedophilia storyline? Apparently I stopped watching too soon.

        • Maya says:

          Yeah, I heard about the end of that storyline and I was actually surprised about how much I would have preferred for it to end that way. I'll give it a shot eventually, but I have trouble imagining anyone better than George. George is basically my soulmate lol

    • Vale says:

      I keep expecting him to whip out a lightsaber.

      Or two.

  18. queenofthebobs says:

    Unpopular opinion, but I didn't like this episode all that much. Baltar and Six were the only plot line I was actually interested in this episode. 🙁

  19. fantasylover120 says:

    I…cheeated and skipped ahead to the ending of Season 1 (I'm sorry! Will try not to do that again! The ability you have not to do this btw is amazing). Mark…you are so not prepared and I have a feeling we both aren't prepared for the rest of the entire series.

  20. Sara says:

    And this is when I said, where has Grace Park been all my life and where the fuck is her Emmy?

    • redheadedgirl says:

      A question for the entire frakking cast. Mary McDonnell was especially robbed, but Grace Park and Tricia Helfer both did such an AMAZING job of playing multiple versions of the same character, and not a single acting Emmy nomination for anyone.

      I'd like to think that BSG and other genre shows helped shows like Game of Thrones get their due, but it is a travesty.

      • Noybusiness says:

        Not to mention Bear McCreary with the music.

        • redheadedgirl says:

          Are you… ARE YOU KIDDING ME.

          That is terrible. IMDB says he got nominated for the main title of Human Target, which…. really? Is this a way of them saying "Uh…. sorry we ignored your brilliance before, here's a consolation nomination for a show no one cares about."

          • GaiusFrakkingBaltar says:

            In all fairness, he was doing some pretty frakking awesome stuff on Human Target before they changed composers after season 1 – among other things he did a different orchestral version of the main title for every episode…

      • @msshelly02 says:

        Everyone knows that the Emmy's suck! However, BSG did win the very prestigious Peabody Award so I feel like that makes up for it somewhat.

  21. ChronicReader91 says:

    First and foremost, much love for the new banner.

    I’ve tried very hard to follow my self-imposed rules and not read or watch ahead of Mark, but this is where my composure broke. I blew through both parts of Kobol’s Last Gleaming in one sitting. So, to keep any spoilers from slipping in, I’m commenting with my actual notes themselves to show my emotional state deteriorating as I watched.

    -Oh, Sharon. Noooo. Don’t do it.

    -Well, THAT was a surprise. Nice way to tell us Kara has feelings for Lee.. Maybe I'm just dense but I thought they were just close friends with a little bit of sexual tension.

    -Also, aaawwwkwaaarrd.

    -What is that planet? Don’t tell me they found earth already. Sure looks like it, though.

    -Oh joy, is this a love triangle developing? Please no.

    -Well, that conversation (between Sharon and Baltar) was… strangely touching. But somehow ominous at the same time.

    -OH NY GOD SHARON NO NO NO hsgqo0-okemlx

  22. ChronicReader91 says:

    (cont.)
    -LEE, SHUT UP RIGHT NOW. What the hell? I was really liking you up until now. Seriously, who are you to tell Kara who she can and can’t sleep with? It’s none of your business unless it’s you (and no, in her head doesn’t count.)

    -OH GOOD SHE’S NOT DEAD. THANK GOD. That looks painful though.

    -Billy standing up to Roslin over… something? What is she planning to do? I HAZ BAD FEELING ABOUT THIS.

    -OH MY GOD WHAT IS HAPPENING? WHY ARE THERE CYLONS. NO NO THIS CANNOT BE GOOD.

    -Good god, how intense and terrifying was that crash scene? Please please let there be survivors. OMG TYROL and CALLY and CRASHDOWN and BALTAR! THEY HAVE TO BE OK. Right? They have to be.

    -Oh, Kara… she really had so much faith in Adama that she never even CONSIDERED he might be lying about Earth. 🙁

  23. ChronicReader91 says:

    (Cont.)
    -Hfildgfnvop;p; d STARBUCK WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING. She’s actually doing it. She’s actually going to Caprica. How does she know that the Arrow of Apollo is even REAL? Or what if she gets there and finds out it was, you know, DESTROYED IN THE BOMBING.

    -Worst. Cliffhanger. Ever.

    Oh, and Mark, you really get excited about Atheists, don’t you? You cut yourself off midsentence. LOL.

  24. karate0kat says:

    My thoughts on the Kara/Lee scene – on the one hand, I love that Lee punching Kara back isn't treated like a big thing. Because if genders are going to be equal then we need to either stop treating women like fragile fucking flowers that can't ever be touched even if they hit you first, or it needs to be equally as bad to hit men.

    On the other hand, LEE! NO! I was liking you so much more this time around. STOP SLUT SHAMING KARA BEFORE I HATE YOU AGAIN.

    SO MANY THINGS HAPPEN! I understand why Bill did what he did, lying about Earth. But if I was Kara I'd be pissed too. I'm sure with time I'd cool off and see reason and understand why he lied about something so huge, but Kara doesn't have that time, she needs to make a decision, and she does.

    Laura Roslin having visions that are real! I love the mysticism with this show, because it's so twisty and complex and all encompassing.

    Boomer. I just want to hug Boomer. And Caprica!Sharon too. I mean, I get why Helo shot her? But still, ouch. Just…fucking ouch. On more than one level.

    There are SO MANY THINGS I WANT TO SAY that I cannot yet but will tomorrow. HOLY SHIT MARK YOU ARE ALMOST DONE WITH SEASON 1!!!

    Oh, and kind of random but I was listening to the Caprica soundtrack yesterday and it made me think of it and maybe you've answered somewhere and I missed it, but are you going to watch the prequel series Caprica when you're done with BSG?

    • Crackers says:

      My feelings about Lee and Kara exactly. On one hand, I get Lee's pain because it must really suck to be in love with someone who'd rather sleep with someone she kinda despises than sleep with you (I think it was the fact that it was Baltar that really stuck in his craw) BUT LEE YOU SHOULDN'T BE SUCH A FRAKKING JERK ABOUT IT. I mean, at least tell her you'd miss her if she died!

      That whole relationship just makes me weep. And it was going so well, too. And poor Kara's face when she realizes that Adama really was lying about knowing where Earth was 🙁

      Also, totally 100% agreed on the Apollo/Starbuck mutual punching. I never saw that as problematic, this is a world where people of both genders throw punches and it's time they started acting like it. What he said to her, on the other hand….:(

  25. HungryLikeLupin says:

    All right, I love Lee, and I love Lee and Starbuck together, but SERIOUSLY LEE WTF YOU ARE NOT IN CHARGE OF HER SEXUALITY! I understand him being upset, on account of how it's ridiculously obvious that he has a thing for her (and I wonder how long that's been going on, btw), but . . . ARGH! I sort of want to smack him all throughout that entire scene. Kara is a grown woman who had a consenting sexual encounter with grown man; it was in no way in conflict with her duty or with regs; she is romantically unattached; it may be a hideously bad idea, yes, but it is also none of Lee's damn business. Shut up, Lee. Just shut up.

    And speaking of Starbuck. The confirmation here (which might be the first time we get one?) that the Lords of Kobol are in fact the ancient Greek pantheon makes this scene from Flesh and Bone EVEN BETTER.

    <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Not_An_Addict/108_cap779.jpg"&gt;

    Because of course–OF COURSE–Starbuck would feel a special kinship with Ares and Artemis. LOVE. IT.

    I meant to say earlier, too, that perhaps Roslin consulted with Elosha when she started having her visions because chamalla is something used in religious vision-questing, a little bit like peyote? That's what I'm going with, anyway. XD

    • Her statues are Artemis and Athena, actually. Hunt and war — they fit very well!

      • ChronicReader91 says:

        As I remember it, they were Artemis and Aphrodite.

        • NB2000 says:

          They are. I was flicking through my PDF of the post-series auction catalogue last night and found the listing:

          Lot 355
          Kara Thrace 's Lords of Kobol
          Figurines
          Starbuck's metal Lords of Kobol figurines
          (Aphrodite and Artemis) with the cloth she kept
          them wrapped in. Seen on screen in the Season 1
          episode "Flesh and Bone".
          $ 400 – $ 600

      • HungryLikeLupin says:

        Athena fits, as well. ^_^ Though honestly, I'd peg her as more of an Ares gal than an Athena one; bless her, she's far more prone to hack-and-slash than to strategy (though she certainly has a gift for both).

    • Noybusiness says:

      In a deleted scene, Billy says that his uncle was a priest in a sect that used chamalla as you guessed.

      • HungryLikeLupin says:

        Huzzah! \o/ I missed that one. Is this the episode with the Boomer deleted scene, or is it the next one? I can't remember, and haven't wanted to mention it in case I ended accidentally spoiling . . .

        • Noybusiness says:

          This is the episode with the deleted scene where Apollo, Crashdown and other pilots are around Boomer's bed in Life Station talking about her accident and Crashdown complains that he has to fly with Karma, who is "bad luck". It couldn't be the next episode, remember this is the one where Crashdown, Karma, Baltar et al crash.

          • HungryLikeLupin says:

            Different deleted scene. Will rot13 it to avoid spoilers! (OMG this thing is so much fun.)

            V zrnag gur bar jurer Obbzre vf ercrngrqyl cenpgvpvat chyyvat ure tha bhg sebz oruvaq ure onpx. V'z cerggl fher vg yrnqf qverpgyl vagb ure chggvat ure tha va ure zbhgu, fb V'z nyzbfg pregnva vg unq gb unir orra guvf rcvfbqr.

    • Crackers says:

      it's ridiculously obvious that he has a thing for her (and I wonder how long that's been going on, btw)

      Since the miniseries, and probably long before that even (when they first meet, she says she hasn't seen him for two years, not since his brother's funeral. Kind of points to them having a thing for each other even when Zak was alive, even if they never acted on it).

  26. Heath0087 says:

    For the sake of my sanity please start calling him Leoben!

  27. Noybusiness says:

    What others already said about Lee not being in charge of Kara's sexuality. He has good qualities, but he can act so entitled.

    I see how Roslin's request looks way out there from Adama's perspective, but I am a little irritated at the overlooking of the fact that the Colonial Scriptures, unlike the Bible, were written by an advance space-faring civilization who might just have known what they were talking about, even if they did themselves no favors by putting it in religious, metaphorical and flowery language.

  28. notemily says:

    I too love the nearly-wordless intro. SPACE BOXING! SPACE SEXING! SPACE MUSIC!

    Still don't understand why na natry bs tbq be jungrire vf chfuvat crbcyr'f urnqf vagb zveebef

    Okay Sharon has been fucking shot in the shoulder and now she's just hanging out in a blanket? Do Cylons have superior healing capabilities? I don't even know. Just a flesh wound.

    The Boomer scene: This is one of those times where I really, REALLY hate Gaius Baltar. You don't try to convince someone to kill herself. Even if she's a Cylon. (Am I the only one who read the scene that way? He was like "give in to your darker impulses! KILL YOURSELF.")

    Crashdown is fucking hardcore for CONTINUING TO PILOT a Raptor with its windshield completely blown out.

    Leoben said that you would find Kobol, but he also said Adama's a Cylon. Are we believing everything he said now?

    Mark, I love the new banner! And it's nice to have the two sites "match" in terms of layout.

  29. Tilja says:

    My question here is a simple one: If they're following a pattern, a cycle of life, how does the pattern end? Every time the exodus comes to an end, does it always end in the exact same way? Are there more than one outcome before the next cycle begins? Can they end this one differently from others while at the same time fulfilling the pattern?

    Now I need to watch the second part of this asap.

  30. feminerdist says:

    I love this review.

  31. innocentsmith says:

    So, this episode is awesome overall, but the thing I always remember about it is a thing that makes me sad, because THIS:

    Why are they both acting so terribly, and why is Lee being SO IRRITATING ABOUT THIS? It’s not like they were in a monogamous relationship, and you certainly hadn’t made moves on her, so SHUT UP, LEE.

    Yeah, right here is where I stopped shipping Kara/Lee. And right after they’d been all adorable BFFs and good cop/bad cop in “Colonial Day” – never more adorable.

    But I’m sorry. Punching a woman because you’re jealous that she slept with another man = BULLSHIT OF THE HIGHEST ORDER. Really, punching anybody you care about, ever = bullshit. But especially a man judging a woman for her sex life, ESPECIALLY when he isn’t even in a relationship with her…I just. Sorry, no. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

    • Noybusiness says:

      Oops. Your last paragraph has a spoiler. Can an admin edit that out without deleting the non-spoilery rest of your comment.

      Gur Funebaf' zbqry ahzore unfa'g orra fgngrq lrg!

    • arctic_hare says:

      Edited to remove a spoilery portion of your comment.

  32. ldwy says:

    I totally still believe the arrow of Apollo is going to be Lee and his ship.

  33. Kim says:

    Yeah, this is when I lost control of my rewatch. I'm now 5 eps into Season 2…Maybe I'll get so far ahead that I'll go back and watch the eps again when it's time for Mark to watch them…

    I've always LOVED when Lee punches Kara back. That speaks so much to the gender equality. She punches him, he punches her, no one freaks out, no problems here. And I say that as a woman who has in fact punched deserving men knowing I wouldn't be punched back because of my gender.

    And I think Baltar very definitely knows what he's doing when he talks to Boomer. He is deliberately pushing her to commit suicide. Whether his motives are purely selfish or not is up to debate. He could be trying to protect the fleet and Galactica, but mostly just himself.

    This is my third time watching the series, and even I feel unprepared…

  34. StatSig says:

    Oh god, this episode. It was extra painful because we ended up returning the discs to the store, thinking that Kobol's Last Gleaming Pt. 2 was the opening to Season 2, not part of Season 1, and then when we realized our mistake, grad school happened and it took us like 8 months to get back to watching the show and I WAS MISERABLE ABOUT IT.

  35. Dru says:

    I remember watching this the first time, and being THRILLED TO PIECES when Starbuck was in bed with what seemed very likely to be Lee, and also puzzled because he was simultaneously sparring with DadAdama. And then comes the Leegasm, and all the disasters that follow, and Lee being an UTTER AND COMPLETE DOUCHE CAPSLOCK KEYSMASH AGFHFJKLKOIP:L: WHY DID YOU HAVE TO BE SO HORRIBLE TO HER EVEN WHEN SHE ASKED IF YOU’D MISS HER IF SHE DIED???

    I mean, on one hand I get that these two have a complicated relationship and he probably still feels guilty about being attracted to her because of Zak, and I feel his pain that the girl he loves would rather sleep with someone she kinda despises (Baltar) than sleep with him, which is a weird form of rejection AAAAAAAAAAAAaagh!!!. But that still doesn’t give you the right to be a TOTAL AND COMPLETE JERK TO HER. Even if I want to pat both your heads and then lock you crazy kids up together somewhere so you can talk about this thing like adults. Or something.

    *sob*

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