Mark Watches ‘Buffy The Vampire Slayer’: S03E07 – Revelations

In the seventh episode of the third season of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, a surprise visitor to Sunnydale forces Giles, Faith, and Buffy to re-evaluate their roles. Intrigued? Then it’s time for Mark to watch Buffy.

I’m finding that the episodes that I enjoy the most on Buffy are those that address the concept of identity. It’s not a theme that we’ve never seen before, but I also never feel like the show is repeating itself. “Revelations” is about how various characters respond to Gwendolyn Post, and how her appearance creates this ripple effect in terms of three specific characters. I’m actually going to split this up based on each character so that it’s easier to get my thoughts down, if you don’t mind.

BUFFY

This really is an agonizing episode to watch concerning her character. It starts off so good! God, how can I not ship Buffy/Faith after this episode? I mean, that first joke is just so beautiful to me. Why should Buffy and Faith date? BECAUSE WORLDS WOULD EXPLODE. I swear to you, during the cold open, I thought, “Wow, it’s so awesome to see them getting along. I like this a lot!” I SHOULD NOT HAVE THOUGHT THIS AT ALL. WHAT THE FUCK. WHY DID I DO THAT? It’s like Whedon knew years into the future, I would have that specific reaction, so he ruined everything in response.

The bulk of Mrs. Post’s ire and condescension isn’t for Buffy, as she reserves most of that for Giles and Faith. What Buffy then has to deal with while the others are coping with the appearance of this new Watcher is Angel. I admit that I would be just as confused as her by the situation with Angel. She’d moved on and accepted that he was dead, and now they’re doing Tai Ch’i and making out? SO FUCKING WEIRD. How exactly do you navigate something as complicated as that? There’s no real answer to that, and to me, that’s precisely why she kept it all a secret from her friends. She can barely process the fact that Angel has returned from Hell; how can she possibly know how the others will act? Even worse, what if she’s wrong? I don’t know that she could deal with the fallout from that.

It’s hard enough that she has to find ways to cope with her lingering feelings for Angel, unsure what she should do with him. It’s only made worse when Xander catches them. God, there could not be a worse person who could have made that discovery. I think I wouldn’t have disliked Xander’s stance as much if he didn’t make it out like he never disliked Angel because he represented someone in between Xander and Buffy. I don’t think he’s necessarily wrong per se; I think he and Willow make it clear that they’re hurt by Buffy concealing Angel from everyone, and that none of them know if Angel poses the same risk as he did before.

It’s seriously such a complex situation that it’s hard for me to decide how I feel on it at all. Obviously, I want to trust Buffy; I want her to make her own decisions and to have the support of others when she does. I found the idea that everyone was so increasingly obsessed with Buffy’s sexual experience with Angel to be a bit much. But then I have to remind myself that the canon of this show already set things up so that it might be possible for Angel to lose his soul again if he’s happy, and then my brain turns to mush because I can’t figure out this complicated moral soup.

I think that’s okay for the most part. It’s meant to be complicated and confusing, and it’s much more thoughtful to me that there are points each character makes that could be read as correct depending on how you look at it. It purposely draws out the drama because it’s so ambiguous. Who is making the right decision here?

Even if I thought that Buffy’s argument was the strongest, and even if I did ultimately trust her own judgment in this case, I can’t deny that when Giles expresses his disappointment, I didn’t really have anything to counter that. It’s a gutting moment because you can see how hurt Giles is. I’d forgotten about how Angelus treated Giles. Can you blame the guy for feeling slighted because Buffy didn’t tell him that the guy who tortured him for hours is back in town?

I’ll get to more of Giles in a bit, but for now, Buffy internalizes what Giles told her. It’s clear she wants Giles to feel like he is being respected, so she goes out of her way to make sure that she takes his advice and pursue Lagos. On top of that, she’s also distanced herself from Angel, even if it’s only temporary. It’s why she’s so upset when she discovers what Xander and Faith have planned regarding Angel later in the episode. She’s doing what she can to be respectful, but at the same time, she’s furious that, once again, no one trusts her judgment. You can see how pissed off she is when she fights Faith at the mansion. And look, I don’t like seeing Faith and Buffy fight, but sweet baby Gandalf, that was an incredibly choreographed fight scene. I WON’T LIE. IT WAS ENTERTAINING.

I’m fascinated by how the Angel/Buffy storyline is going to be treated in the future. It’s a relief that all the characters finally offer their trust to Buffy. (Well, except Cordelia.) But is Buffy just going to swear off a relationship with him, or take things further?

GILES

It’s always hard to hear criticism, and it’s even harder to hear it when someone’s just being rude about it. Mrs. Post is incredibly harsh on Giles, and I kind of despised the way she insulted his library. You know what makes it worse? SHE WAS THE VILLAIN ALL ALONG. So she insulted him just because she could. OH GOD.

Giles has always sort of been the black sheep of the Scoobies because his job is basically to herd cats. That’s my metaphor for the Scoobies and I’m sticking to it. He has to straddle between being strict and authoritative (which rarely happens), and being a friend to them. Granted, he’s been dealt a complicated situation after being assigned to Buffy as her Watcher, so I personally think he’s doing a fantastic job. Still, Giles is the kind of guy to be overly critical of himself, so Mrs. Post causes him to question his ability, his worth, and his intelligence more than usual.

It’s part of the reason why he is so upset at Buffy for hiding Angel from him. Obviously, the torture is the #1 reason, but I think he knows that he doesn’t have that much control over Buffy as he would want, and this situation demonstrates that. But how do you control someone like Buffy? Perhaps he doesn’t actually want to control her; perhaps he really just wants to trust her to do the right thing. Ultimately, he’s a respectful person, and Mrs. Post causes him to self-analyze a bit more than he’d like.

FAITH

Yeah, hello, you just became the most interesting character on the show. We haven’t truly had much of her since she arrived in episode three, and this massive dose of her characterization is just heartbreaking. It actually kind of makes sense that she is around all the time; she’s such an independent person that I imagine she’s off doing her own thing. That independence streak directly clashes with the arrival of Mrs. Post, who represents order, cleanliness, and precision, things that Faith really isn’t a big fan of. Truthfully, she just doesn’t like anyone who has authority over her. She trusts herself and her own judgment over everyone and everything else, and inviting another person into that just doesn’t work for her.

My guess is this is why she does react in the way she does to Mrs. Post and Buffy. Just because a person is independent doesn’t mean they want to be alone all of the time. And I can relate to that a lot; I’m generally a self-imposed loner most of the time, and I’m okay with that. I grew up in an environment where I also developed an intense distaste for authority and for having to depend on other people. I just like being alone most of the time, but sometimes people misinterpret that as a desire to be ignored. I think Faith was a bit hurt when Mrs. Post reveals that the Scoobies had a meeting that didn’t involve her. Perhaps “hurt” is too strong of a word. She is left out. She isn’t considered.

At the heart of it is a contradiction that Faith has to deal with. On the one hand, she wants to do things her way and to trust herself. On the other, she’s lonely. How does she rectify the two? It’s why she lashes out so violently at the news that Angel is still alive. She’s angry that Buffy didn’t trust her enough to tell her the truth, but then pissed off that Buffy has demonstrated any sort of dependence on another person. It’s not really fair to Buffy, but I don’t think Faith is thinking of things in this way. She can’t even conceive of falling in love with a vampire, and, like the other characters, she refuses to just trust Buffy’s judgment.

This lack of trust is what gives us that final scene of “Revelations.” Faith sits alone in her motel room, refusing to trust anyone. She thinks she made a mistake in trusting Mrs. Post and Buffy. She believes she will be best on her own. And goddamn it, IT’S JUST SO FUCKING DEPRESSING. What a brilliant character turn, though. THIS IS SUCH GOOD TELEVISION.

There’s one last thing I wanted to bring up: Willow and Xander, you are GREATLY DISAPPOINTING ME WITH YOUR SHENANIGANS. It’s especially ironic given the fact that both of them, especially Xander, are up in arms about Buffy lying. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU TWO THINK YOU ARE DOING? Oh god, it’s only going to end in disaster, isn’t it? My heart is already pre-breaking for Cordy and Oz.

Death Count: 4 – The two vampires in the cold open, Lagos, and Gwendolyn Post. Total: 25

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449 Responses to Mark Watches ‘Buffy The Vampire Slayer’: S03E07 – Revelations

  1. enigmaticagentscully says:

    – I sort of love Gwendolyn Post with the passion of a thousand fiery suns. She’s just such a glorious asshole. You know who she kind of reminds me of? Phoebe Green from that X Files episode ‘Fire’. You’d think being British myself I’d get tired of posh, uptight cold-fish British lady stereotypes, but I really don’t. Also, I love her annoying the hell out of Giles. And I love her being actually quite sweet to Faith, y’know, at first. She must have been a kick-ass Watcher back in the day.
    It’s a shame she turned out to be a bad guy and all, because I would have liked to see more of her. Except for the fact that she was a really frickin’ awesome bad guy and brilliantly manipulative and everyone was just amazingly gullible and instantly told her everything. I sort of wish she was a recurring character? Shame she was taken down so quickly.

    – Are all the Watchers British then? Because that seems a) Really impractical, and b) REALLY FUCKING COOL. I mean, the Watcher meeting that Faith mentioned a few episodes ago was in England too! It’s like this secret society of tea drinking, tweed wearing badasses. Also, Giles not getting the memo about Mrs Post being kicked out is unendingly hilarious. CAN WE HAVE A WATCHERS CENTRIC EPISODE NOW PLEASE??

    – Ok, is it weird that I’m kiiiind of starting to ship Buffy/Faith? I blame Mark for putting this in my head. I mean, there’s not really any indication that they are interested in each other apart from being friends (if that), but they do have a really great chemistry going. Maybe I just want something to take my mind off Willow/Xander because JUST STOP IT.

    – Speaking of Faith…neverending sadfaces. Boy, she’s having a rough time of it! Her real new Watcher hasn’t shown up yet, so I guess Giles is in charge of her as well for the moment. I can’t believe they’re just letting her stay in a motel permanently though. How is she even paying for that? Does she have a job? Do none of them give the slightest fuck about this teenage girl who’s completely alone in the world? I guess they have other things on their minds, but still…

    – “I don't need an ‘excuse.’ I think ‘lots of dead people’ actually constitutes a reason.
    XANDER STOP SAYING THINGS I AGREE WITH GODDAMN IT. I did sort of wish they had succeeded in killing Angel though? Look, I don’t exactly HATE him any more, but I still…I want him gone. I am not comfortable with him being back and accepted. I just have to fight the urge not to punch him in the face every time he appears, and I really don’t want to have to buy a new computer screen.

    – Oh Giles. That speech he gives Buffy…is there any way his life could not be never-ending tragedy for five minutes please? Actually, it kind of annoyed me how Buffy treated him in this episode, especially her conversations with Willow. They both acted like Giles was throwing a Xander-esque strop over nothing, and they’d just have to give him time and he’d get over it and forgive her. Um, sorry, no. Angel murdered his girlfriend and tortured him for hours. Giles has some pretty fucking legit grievances against the guy. He has a point, to be honest – I think sometimes Buffy doesn’t have enough respect for him. Not just in his role as her Watcher, but as a person.

  2. settlingforhistory says:

    A nice episode, we get to see a female Watcher, everyone knows about Angel and relationships become even more awkward:

    Xander and Willow just stop trying, the guilt it’s so obvious.

    “When your last steady kills half the class, and then your rebound guy sends you a
    dump-o-gram? It makes a girl shy.”
    Cordy has such a nice way of surmising relationships, it’s like a 30 seconds movie review.

    Great, the first female Watcher and she is completely unlikeable and unfortunately also hopelessly evil. (V cersre Fcvxr’f snatvey, fur jnf fb phgr “V jebgr zl gurfvf ba lbh.”)

    This is the best example of bad Council communication yet. “They swear there was a memo” Yes, thank you. How helpful.
    She must have counted on that though, so it can’t be only that they dislike Giles or keep him in the dark on purpose. I wonder how they have kept the world from ending before, when any necessary warning is always years too late.

    Thai Chi lessons are very dangerous when you want to keep your relationship platonic.
    So is research apparently.

    “The big one in the Restfield cemetery. I know it well.”
    Somehow I think it’s a bad sign when you know the location of mausoleums in a graveyard.
    The Scoobies spent way too much time there.

    Now the secret is out. It just had to be Xander who found Angel and Buffy together, didn’t it?

    Nice, Giles can’t even prepare tea right for Mrs. Post. What a lovely person.

    Intervention! Or: the next episode of everyone against Buffy.
    I understand their anger, but it’s just a fire of accusations on both sides.
    I really don’t like this scene.

    And yes, Buffy, the only reason a man can hate another man is because of jealousy. No wonder so many fans reduce Xander to this. It’s also really unfair to Cordy who is clearly in love with him.

    I hate that Faith is bonding so much with Mrs. Post, she would have deserved someone who honestly cares about her.

    Giles should stop turning his back on people. Bar qnl ur'f tbaan jnxr hc va n pbzn.

    That Watcher lady sure loves to hit people over the head; first Giles, then Angel and even poor Willow. No wonder she wants the all-powerful glove, though a boxing glove would have been more fitting.

    Communication among the Scoobies is also lacking. It would have helped if Angel knew that Faith is on Buffy’s side. At least he gets to save Willow. All the brownie points!

    Vg’f tbbq gung jr frr Ohssl naq Snvgu svtug urer nyernql, vg znxrf gur evsg orgjrra gurz yngre zhpu zber oryvrinoyr naq vg fubjf ubj rnfvyl Snvgu vf znavchyngrq ol cneragny svtherf.
    Gung ynfg fgrc Ohssl gbbx bhgfvqr gur ncnegzrag jnf fb cbvtanag, n svefg fgrc bhg bs gurve sevraqfuvc.

    Arkg rcvfbqr: Ubj gb ehva n eryngvbafuvc jvgu whfg bar xvff gbb znal.
    Naq nyfb FCVXR!

  3. Noybusiness says:

    "So she insulted him just because she could. OH GOD."

    And to put him on the defensive, so he wouldn't inquire too deeply about her.

  4. echinodermata says:

    I largely dislike this episode (it's uncomfortable, though deliberately so) therefore I'm going to take this time to simply talk about Faith and ignore everything else.

    We know from before that Faith didn't really have friends back home and it seems like she's generally without family – we know her mother's dead, and hasn't spoken about her father. She lost her Watcher. We know she struggles with money. All in all, she's flying without support. And she meets Buffy, and Buffy has cool friends, a loving mother, a supportive and dedicated Watcher, and lots of privilege Buffy generally isn't conscious of. Faith likes Buffy a lot – for example, she's angry at Scott Hope on Buffy's behalf and gets some revenge on him. And we see her reaching out in this episode talking about her life with Buffy and wanting and hoping Buffy will reciprocate. Which she doesn't. Faith's largely alone, and sees Buffy's life, and wants some part of that, including Buffy's friendship. Faith wants to have people in her life that trust her and are open with her. But she's an outcast among these people who don't inform her of crap she should know, gets an emotionally manipulative enemy pretending to be her Watcher, and all in all gets a really shit hand.

    Buffy's gone through a lot of emotional trauma that we've witnessed, so we know and understand why Buffy holds back with Faith and has some big trust issues. And largely Buffy's friends and family are aware of all this, too. Faith isn't – she's surely noticed on her own that Buffy can be withdrawn about herself and about Angel, but she doesn't know why when everyone around her has some idea. So Faith has this not-so-pleasant backstory and certainly hasn't had an easy life, and the one person who she can most easily relate to isn't reciprocating the same desire to trust Faith like Faith does her. And Faith finds out there was a meeting of all the Scoobies but her, and makes the easily understood assumption that she isn't wanted by any of them. They didn't invite her or tell her why it wasn't something that necessarily involved her. Xander uses her as a weapon. She just wants to do the right thing and live up to her responsibilities, but she has to do it alone and with faulty information. Honestly, everyone has put her in a pretty shit position of letting her be a Slayer on her own with no guidance. Or bad guidance. No one has been there for her or given her the information she needs, including the people she most admires.

    This episode is emotionally centered around Buffy's trust issues and her relationship with her friends, where this episode posits Buffy as somewhat alone, unable to trust her friends. But Faith hardly has friends, so it's not even that Faith has trust issues but rather that there's no one around to have trust issues with. There's no one around she should trust. So Buffy's story is about her world crumbling around her, when Faith's story is about not having a world to exist in. She's just alone or on the periphery.

    And that's a story that speaks to me greater than Buffy's story does. It's about loneliness and standing strong without people to back her up. And it's about getting hurt when she cares more about those around her than they care about her. She's an outcast forced into solitude, and she resents it. She's essentially the opposite of Buffy in so many respects. Faith isn't really even a character without Buffy; she doesn't exist without Buffy. And maybe that's not even good writing, then, if her life is defined by another character, but Faith's story has always compelled me because of how strongly her loneliness comes across to me. So her final scene in the motel room breaks my heart, but it's so damn understandable and believable and real to me.

    No character on this show invokes as many feelings in me than Faith does. No other character elicits this amount of sympathy and a desire to just hug them and want them to have one nice thing in their life.

  5. enigmaticagentscully says:

    Aww boo, I just realised I'm gonna be super late commenting for the review tomorrow…I'm going to the cinema to see the Muppet movie. Because that basically takes precedence over everything else in life.

    Just FYI, because last time I was late someone asked where I was.

    I swear Mark Watches has taken over my life. My family finds this hilarious.

  6. hpfish13 says:

    This episode feels really serious, especially after the silliness of Band Candy. Still, it’s a very good episode and a nice exploration of the concept of trust and lies. Almost everyone is lying about something in this episode and it’s mostly to everyone’s detriment.

    First of all, STOP IT, STOP IT, STOP IT WILLOW AND XANDER!!!! And stop it with that adorable musical theme when ever anything happens between the two of them. You can’t make me okay with this, no matter how nice the theme.

    I have definite emotions regarding everyone’s reaction to the Angel revelation. Giles’ I can completely understand where he is coming from, and I appreciate that he confronted her in private, instead of in front of the others. Willow was behaving very reasonably, more worried about the whole situation than mad. Cordelia was being Cordelia and Oz was being Oz and their reactions have a lot less impact on Buffy’s emotional state. Faith, given the information she had from Xander, behaved entirely reasonably. BUT XANDER!!!!! WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU! YOU HAVE THE LEAST TO BE UPSET ABOUT IN THE WHOLE ANGEL SITUATION!!! ALSO, STOP TWISTING EVERYTHING AROUND TO MAKE THINGS SUIT YOUR WORLD VIEW. YOU ARE A TERRIBLE CONVEYOR OF INFORMATION!!! Honestly, when he says “Can I come?” to Faith with that hint of excitement about getting to witness Angel getting killed all I want to do to him is this

    [youtube 5Cx7jzq2Bx4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Cx7jzq2Bx4 youtube]

    Honestly though, it’s Faith’s part in this storyline that makes my heart break. She opens up to Gwendolyn Post and puts her trust in her, and turns out to be utterly wrong (I really don’t like Gwendolyn, she hits and almost kills Giles, Willow and Angel, grrrrrrrrr). She doesn’t really feel like she fits in with Buffy and the Scoobies, and this whole episode serves to divide them a bit further. That final scene with her and Buffy just kills me every time I watch it. Naq vg ernyyl cebivqrf gur gheavat cbvag sbe ure fvqvat jvgu gur znlbe yngre ba va gur frnfba.

    Onto official information!
    Episode 7: Revelations
    Written by Douglas Petrie, Directed by James A. Contner
    Air date 11/17/98
    Faith’s new watcher arrives and brings distressing news: she’s been sent to report on Giles’ and a demon named Lagos is coming to Sunnydale in search of the Glove of Myhnegon. Things get worse when Giles finds out that Angel is back…and that he has the Glove

  7. Plactus says:

    Didn't have a whole lot of thoughts on this episode:

    • "Really, we're just good friends." You keep telling yourself that.
    • "New Olympic category?" I'd consider watching it.
    • I knew coming in that Gwen Post was evil and lying and not a Watcher anymore, and that made the bits where she's wearing Giles down easier to watch because I also knew she'd be dead by the end of the episode.
    • Buffy speaks my mind. Giles is probably right, though, or, at least, would be if she hadn't been kicked out.
    • "…and it's another Tuesday night in Sunnydale." Heh. Qnja'f va gebhoyr?
    • Giles reveals he knows how to thwart her plan. He turns his back. Yep, he gets clocked in the head.
    • Twice. She's not strong enough to KO him one with one shot.
    • THIS is the scene I wanted at the end of "Dead Man's Party." Glad it didn't get glossed over this time.

  8. cait0716 says:

    My brain is not working today, but I really like this episode. Especially for all the Faith development we get. It breaks my heart that she's the character here with the least to hide and she's the one who ends up getting hurt the most by everyone else's secrets. It's partially because she isn't quite as integrated into the group as everyone else, but she and Buffy really were starting to bond and then that just gets shattered by the end of the episode. My heart breaks when she almost calls Buffy back and then rethinks and doesn't.

    Giles' disappointment in Buffy is painful, too. It's worse that he doesn't yell.

    I really like the Mrs. Post carries tea with her in her purse. It's a quick moment – when Giles serves tea in his apartment, she removes the tea bag he provides her and pulls her own out of her purse. It almost endears me to her. But everything else makes me hate her. So.

    The fight scenes with Buffy and Faith are a lot of fun, both when they're working together and when they're fighting each other. Who would actually win remains to be seen, since their fight got interrupted this time.

  9. knut_knut says:

    According to IMDB, the woman who played Ms. Post also played Kate Middleton’s mother in a Lifetime movie. This pleases me greatly.

    While I watch Buffy I normally take notes so that the next day I actually remember what the episode was about, but when I looked at yesterday’s notes this morning, pretty much all of them were variations of XANDER!!!!!!!! I think the Scoobies have a right to be upset at Buffy lying to them about Angel’s return, BUT OH MY GOD XANDER NOT LIKE THAT. *sigh* What are we going to do with you

    I love, love Faith in this episode. She looked like such a kid at the very end when she was telling Buffy all she needs is herself. I don’t ship Buffy and Faith, but could they becoming Slayer partners? And bffs? I think it would be good for both of them to have a best friend who is also a Slayer. Until one of them dies :/

  10. Noybusiness says:

    The outtakes on the Season 5 DVD are, for some reason, taken from Season 3, and include a hilarious sequence of Mrs. Post hitting Giles over the head, over and over again.

  11. Seventh_Star says:

    Q: how much do i love watching faith and buffy fight?

    A: i'll be in my bunk.

  12. enigmaticagentscully says:

    I did find it kind of hilarious that Faith didn't know what Sparta was. I mean OK, maybe she didn't take history class or whatever, but come on. Sparta? Even before 300, I would kind of consider that common knowledge, surely?

    It's like a girl in my class back at school that time who didn't know what a Dodo was. I mean, how do you get through like 16 years of life without ever coming across the concept of Dodos?

  13. misterbernie says:

    – Buffy, I hate that colour on you and also Xander and Willow here because could you be more obvious. Also c’mon, show, don’t tease us with Buffy/Faith. FUCK ALREADY
    – also, the dingoes’ stage-acting is hilarious in its own right
    – Oh, Mrs Post, I like your sass.
    – "…this side of the Atlantic." I extend my invitation to come over and drink tea to you, as well. But, to be fair, er, why would you need the labyrinth maps of Malta on Sunnydale’s Hellmouth? But OMG, Mrs Post, I L U
    <img src="http://i39.tinypic.com/1z4eiqg.gif"&gt;
    – More topless Angel tai chi. Frankly, I just focus on David Boreanaz’s chest. "It’s hard", oh, I bet it is.
    – And we have a fourth-wall-breaky comment on BtVS’s timeslot!
    – Buffy and Faith, FUCK ALREADY. Also Buffy, make an effort to bond with Faith, even if it’s not sexy slayer lesbian times, k?
    – Xander, you have the WORST timing. I can’t wait to see how this plays out OH WAIT I CAN
    – Xander, fuck you.
    – Xander, FUCK YOU. "Give him a happy"? Seriously? Gee, I wonder why Buffy didn’t tell you about Angel’s return. May it be because you’re completely dismissive of her experience?
    – XANDER. FUCK ALL OF YOU. Bringing up Jenny’s death just for a below-the-belt punch? Fuck your face and fuck your voice and fuck your attitude and fuck your smarmy, holier-than-thou high horse and go shut up because I. am. officially. Done With. You.
    I’m done with you and your fucking fuckery of FUCK FUCK FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK. YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU.
    – No seriously, fuck you Xander.
    – Giles breaks my heart.
    – N jbeq bs nqivpr, Zef Cbfg: Lbh'q or fhecevfrq ubj znal guvatf gung'yy xvyy.
    – Willow, some secrets are not good. But at least you’re understanding about shit and not being a hateful spiteful pit of fuckery.
    – Faith, I know you’re a loser magnet, but don’t socialise with Xander. He’s beneath you. Also, fuck you Xander.
    – "She’s your first slayer, I take it?" Has this issue been raised before wrt Giles? Is Buffy his first slayer, or has he watched the active slayer before?
    <img src="http://i42.tinypic.com/2cgkbxg.gif"&gt;
    – I love me a badass villain.
    – Willow, you’re getting on my nerves. Talk about it. ALSO DEMON!
    – Fuck you, Xander. Also, maybe you shouldn’t have gotten Faith in a we-need-to-kill-Angel mood.
    – Latin time! This is what I got from a transcript:
    Exorere, Flamma Vitae. Prodi ex loco tuo elementorum, in hunc mundum vivorum.
    Which I think is supposed to be I plead with you, Flame of Life. Come forth out of your place of elements, in this world of the living.
    It seems almost correct, except for exorere; the infinitive is exorare 'persuade, beg, plea', 1.PS.SG would be exoram, then. The pronunciation is okay, I guess, except for the deceivingly Anglophone /r/ and vivorum really does have a second /w/ there, Angel.
    – Poor Giles. Also, fuck you Xander.
    – God, I love you, Mrs Post.
    – Faith/Buffy fight and although it doesn’t make me happy, it is the best fight this series has produced so far, no doubt about it.
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    Je comprends, c’est drôle car Madge souffre /obscure French-Canadian show reference
    – Alas, I cannot comment on the … Gaelic, I gather?
    – Convenient auto-destroy. No corpse to dispose! YAY?
    – Buffy, it’s really not you who needs to ask about being cool.
    – "They swear there was a memo" – seems like a theme with the watchers.
    – I wanna take Faith out for ice cream. Or some underage drinking.

    And a last gif in memory of Mrs Gwendolyn Post, one of my favourite one-shot villains:

    <img src="http://i41.tinypic.com/10ib5vo.gif"&gt;

    German title: Der Handschuh von Myneghon – The Glove of Myneghon. Not much I can say to that. Except to remark that the German word for glove literally translates as 'hand shoe'.

  14. misterbernie says:

    – Buffy, I hate that colour on you and also Xander and Willow here because could you be more obvious. Also c’mon, show, don’t tease us with Buffy/Faith. FUCK ALREADY
    – also, the dingoes’ stage-acting is hilarious in its own right
    – Oh, Mrs Post, I like your sass.
    – "…this side of the Atlantic." I extend my invitation to come over and drink tea to you, as well. But, to be fair, er, why would you need the labyrinth maps of Malta on Sunnydale’s Hellmouth? But OMG, Mrs Post, I L U
    <img src="http://i39.tinypic.com/1z4eiqg.gif"&gt;
    – More topless Angel tai chi. Frankly, I just focus on David Boreanaz’s chest. "It’s hard", oh, I bet it is.
    – And we have a fourth-wall-breaky comment on BtVS’s timeslot!
    – Buffy and Faith, FUCK ALREADY. Also Buffy, make an effort to bond with Faith, even if it’s not sexy slayer lesbian times, k?
    – Xander, you have the WORST timing. I can’t wait to see how this plays out OH WAIT I CAN
    – Xander, fuck you.
    – Xander, FUCK YOU. "Give him a happy"? Seriously? Gee, I wonder why Buffy didn’t tell you about Angel’s return. May it be because you’re completely dismissive of her experience?
    – XANDER. FUCK ALL OF YOU. Bringing up Jenny’s death just for a below-the-belt punch? Fuck your face and fuck your voice and fuck your attitude and fuck your smarmy, holier-than-thou high horse and go shut up because I. am. officially. Done With. You.
    I’m done with you and your fucking fuckery of FUCK FUCK FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK. YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU.
    – No seriously, fuck you Xander.
    – Giles breaks my heart.
    – N jbeq bs nqivpr, Zef Cbfg: Lbh'q or fhecevfrq ubj znal guvatf gung'yy xvyy.
    – Willow, some secrets are not good. But at least you’re understanding about shit and not being a hateful spiteful pit of fuckery.
    – Faith, I know you’re a loser magnet, but don’t socialise with Xander. He’s beneath you. Also, fuck you Xander.
    – "She’s your first slayer, I take it?" Has this issue been raised before wrt Giles? Is Buffy his first slayer, or has he watched the active slayer before?
    <img src="http://i42.tinypic.com/2cgkbxg.gif"&gt;
    – I love me a badass villain.
    – Willow, you’re getting on my nerves. Talk about it. ALSO DEMON!
    – Fuck you, Xander. Also, maybe you shouldn’t have gotten Faith in a we-need-to-kill-Angel mood.
    – Latin time! This is what I got from a transcript:
    Exorere, Flamma Vitae. Prodi ex loco tuo elementorum, in hunc mundum vivorum.
    Which I think is supposed to be I plead with you, Flame of Life. Come forth out of your place of elements, in this world of the living.
    It seems almost correct, except for exorere; the infinitive is exorare 'persuade, beg, plea', 1.PS.SG would be exoram, then. The pronunciation is okay, I guess, except for the deceivingly Anglophone /r/ and vivorum really does have a second /w/ there, Angel.
    – Poor Giles. Also, fuck you Xander.
    – God, I love you, Mrs Post.
    – Faith/Buffy fight and although it doesn’t make me happy, it is the best fight this series has produced so far, no doubt about it.
    <img src="http://i40.tinypic.com/bi1pfl.gif"&gt;
    Je comprends, c’est drôle car Madge souffre /obscure French-Canadian show reference
    – Alas, I cannot comment on the … Gaelic, I gather?
    – Convenient auto-destroy. No corpse to dispose! YAY?
    – Buffy, it’s really not you who needs to ask about being cool.
    – "They swear there was a memo" – seems like a theme with the watchers.
    – I wanna take Faith out for ice cream. Or some underage drinking.

    And a last gif in memory of Mrs Gwendolyn Post, one of my favourite one-shot villains:

    <img src="http://i41.tinypic.com/10ib5vo.gif"&gt;

    German title: Der Handschuh von Myhnegon – The Glove of Myhnegon. Not much I can say to that. Except to remark that the German word for glove literally translates as 'hand shoe'.

  15. Mary Sue says:

    Mrs. Gwendolyn Post.

    You were a badass in the classic manipulative badguy way. I salute you for being the kind of epic villain we rejoiced to see defeated but whose brief foray into our heroes' lives caused repercussions and character revelations.

    Also? Xander can eat, spit and cry. I'm trying to remember why I like(d) him.

  16. arctic_hare says:

    Thoughts on this episode:

    – STOP BLOWING HOLES IN MY SHIP! The Buffy/Faith ship, that is. 🙁

    – I can't even anymore with this Xander/Willow nonsense. PLEASE JUST STOP.

    – I can't even with Xander in this episode, period. He is so awful. I blame Faith's estrangement from the group half on Mrs. Post, and half on him. Plus it's so gross that he riles Faith up to think that Angel has to be killed, and then sidesteps the blame when confronted by Buffy. And I hate the way he talks to Buffy in the intervention thing. He's shaming her for her past choices and essentially blaming Jenny's death on Buffy's decision to have sex with Angel. Super gross and wrong. I'm not convinced his hatred for Angel is entirely based on Angelus' evil deeds, no, that's just his justification after quite some time of hating the guy for simply being Buffy's boyfriend. And lest we forget, he disliked him well before learning he was a vampire, so I don't think that excuse flies either. V frrz gb erpnyy uvz svaqvat gur vqrn bs na nygreangr uvz orvat n onqnff inzcver engure pbby, naq abg trggvat nyy that-ub gb fgnxr Rivy Jvyybj, fb V ernyyl ernyyl qba'g ohl gur "Knaqre whfg ungrf nyy inzcverf!" yvar rvgure. This season, back in the day, was like, the end for me with Xander. He'd already been On Notice due to late season stunts like The Lie in season two, and now he's cheating on Cordelia, he treated Buffy like utter shit in Dead Man's Party, and this? Yeah, I am done with you forever, Xander Harris. You sealed my hate for you in this season.

    – Also, way to be a giant hypocrite, Xander, with that "What, you just tripped and fell on his lips?" You of all people get no judging rights when it comes to kissing someone you shouldn't be kissing, you giant asshole.

    – I love the little bit of Angelus that comes out when Angel gets back up. Whfg sheguref zl bcvavba gung Natry naq Natryhf ner gur fnzr crefba, juvpu jr'yy trg n uvag bs va uvf nobegrq yvar va Qbccrytnatynaq, naq zhpu rkcybengvba va uvf frevrf. BZT PNA'G JNVG FRNFBA GJB BS NATRY VF ONFVPNYYL CRESRPGVBA. <3

    – Ultimately I feel the most sorry for Faith here. She's been misled and outright deceived and left out and used, and not one person in this episode treated her very kindly. It's no wonder she feels alienated from everyone else when all is said and done. I would too. I would be just as hurt and mistrustful in her position, so I get her at the end of the episode. ILU, Faith. You deserve better than this kind of treatment.

    – Boy, the Council really sucks at communication, don't they?

    – Because it brought me joy, and I wish to share that joy with all of you:

    <img src="http://i42.tinypic.com/xbmltz.gif&quot; title="I wonder if we can make Xander Tossing a new Olympic sport.">

  17. arctic_hare says:

    Thoughts on this episode:

    – STOP BLOWING HOLES IN MY SHIP! The Buffy/Faith ship, that is. 🙁

    – I can't even anymore with this Xander/Willow nonsense. PLEASE JUST STOP.

    – I can't even with Xander in this episode, period. He is so awful. I blame Faith's estrangement from the group half on Mrs. Post, and half on him. Plus it's so gross that he riles Faith up to think that Angel has to be killed, and then sidesteps the blame when confronted by Buffy. And I hate the way he talks to Buffy in the intervention thing. He's shaming her for her past choices and essentially blaming Jenny's death on Buffy's decision to have sex with Angel. Super gross and wrong. I'm not convinced his hatred for Angel is entirely based on Angelus' evil deeds, no, that's just his justification after quite some time of hating the guy for simply being Buffy's boyfriend. And lest we forget, he disliked him well before learning he was a vampire, so I don't think that excuse flies either. V frrz gb erpnyy uvz svaqvat gur vqrn bs na nygreangr uvz orvat n onqnff inzcver engure pbby, naq abg trggvat nyy that-ub gb fgnxr Rivy Jvyybj, fb V ernyyl ernyyl qba'g ohl gur "Knaqre whfg ungrf nyy inzcverf!" yvar rvgure. This season, back in the day, was like, the end for me with Xander. He'd already been On Notice due to late season stunts like The Lie in season two, and now he's cheating on Cordelia, he treated Buffy like utter shit in Dead Man's Party, and this? Yeah, I am done with you forever, Xander Harris. You sealed my hate for you in this season.

    – Also, way to be a giant hypocrite, Xander, with that "What, you just tripped and fell on his lips?" You of all people get no judging rights when it comes to kissing someone you shouldn't be kissing, you giant asshole.

    – I love the little bit of Angelus that comes out when Angel gets back up. Whfg sheguref zl bcvavba gung Natry naq Natryhf ner gur fnzr crefba, juvpu jr'yy trg n uvag bs va uvf nobegrq yvar va Qbccrytnatynaq, naq zhpu rkcybengvba va uvf frevrf. BZT PNA'G JNVG FRNFBA GJB BS NATRY VF ONFVPNYYL CRESRPGVBA. <3

    – Ultimately I feel the most sorry for Faith here. She's been misled and outright deceived and left out and used, and not one person in this episode treated her very kindly. It's no wonder she feels alienated from everyone else when all is said and done. I would too. I would be just as hurt and mistrustful in her position, so I get her at the end of the episode. ILU, Faith. You deserve better than this kind of treatment.

    – Boy, the Council really sucks at communication, don't they?

    – Because it brought me joy, and I wish to share that joy with all of you:

    <img src="http://i42.tinypic.com/xbmltz.gif&quot; title="I wonder if we can make Xander Tossing a new Olympic sport.">

  18. arctic_hare says:

    Thoughts on this episode:

    – STOP BLOWING HOLES IN MY SHIP! The Buffy/Faith ship, that is. 🙁

    – I can't even anymore with this Xander/Willow nonsense. PLEASE JUST STOP.

    – I can't even with Xander in this episode, period. He is so awful. I blame Faith's estrangement from the group half on Mrs. Post, and half on him. Plus it's so gross that he riles Faith up to think that Angel has to be killed, and then sidesteps the blame when confronted by Buffy. And I hate the way he talks to Buffy in the intervention thing. He's shaming her for her past choices and essentially blaming Jenny's death on Buffy's decision to have sex with Angel. Super gross and wrong. I'm not convinced his hatred for Angel is entirely based on Angelus' evil deeds, no, that's just his justification after quite some time of hating the guy for simply being Buffy's boyfriend. And lest we forget, he disliked him well before learning he was a vampire, so I don't think that excuse flies either. V frrz gb erpnyy uvz svaqvat gur vqrn bs na nygreangr uvz orvat n onqnff inzcver engure pbby, naq abg trggvat nyy that-ub gb fgnxr Rivy Jvyybj, fb V ernyyl ernyyl qba'g ohl gur "Knaqre whfg ungrf nyy inzcverf!" yvar rvgure. This season, back in the day, was like, the end for me with Xander. He'd already been On Notice due to late season stunts like The Lie in season two, and now he's cheating on Cordelia, he treated Buffy like utter shit in Dead Man's Party, and this? Yeah, I am done with you forever, Xander Harris. You sealed my hate for you in this season.

    – Also, way to be a giant hypocrite, Xander, with that "What, you just tripped and fell on his lips?" You of all people get no judging rights when it comes to kissing someone you shouldn't be kissing, you giant asshole.

    – I love the little bit of Angelus that comes out when Angel gets back up. Whfg sheguref zl bcvavba gung Natry naq Natryhf ner gur fnzr crefba, juvpu jr'yy trg n uvag bs va uvf nobegrq yvar va Qbccrytnatynaq, naq zhpu rkcybengvba va uvf frevrf. BZT PNA'G JNVG FRNFBA GJB BS NATRY VF ONFVPNYYL CRESRPGVBA. <3

    – Ultimately I feel the most sorry for Faith here. She's been misled and outright deceived and left out and used, and not one person in this episode treated her very kindly. It's no wonder she feels alienated from everyone else when all is said and done. I would too. I would be just as hurt and mistrustful in her position, so I get her at the end of the episode. ILU, Faith. You deserve better than this kind of treatment.

    – Boy, the Council really sucks at communication, don't they?

    – Because it brought me joy, and I wish to share that joy with all of you:

    <img src="http://i42.tinypic.com/xbmltz.gif&quot; title="I wonder if we can make Xander Tossing a new Olympic sport.">

  19. arctic_hare says:

    Thoughts on this episode:

    – STOP BLOWING HOLES IN MY SHIP! The Buffy/Faith ship, that is. 🙁

    – I can't even anymore with this Xander/Willow nonsense. PLEASE JUST STOP.

    – I can't even with Xander in this episode, period. He is so awful. I blame Faith's estrangement from the group half on Mrs. Post, and half on him. Plus it's so gross that he riles Faith up to think that Angel has to be killed, and then sidesteps the blame when confronted by Buffy. And I hate the way he talks to Buffy in the intervention thing. He's shaming her for her past choices and essentially blaming Jenny's death on Buffy's decision to have sex with Angel. Super gross and wrong. I'm not convinced his hatred for Angel is entirely based on Angelus' evil deeds, no, that's just his justification after quite some time of hating the guy for simply being Buffy's boyfriend. And lest we forget, he disliked him well before learning he was a vampire, so I don't think that excuse flies either. V frrz gb erpnyy uvz svaqvat gur vqrn bs na nygreangr uvz orvat n onqnff inzcver engure pbby, naq abg trggvat nyy that-ub gb fgnxr Rivy Jvyybj, fb V ernyyl ernyyl qba'g ohl gur "Knaqre whfg ungrf nyy inzcverf!" yvar rvgure. This season, back in the day, was like, the end for me with Xander. He'd already been On Notice due to late season stunts like The Lie in season two, and now he's cheating on Cordelia, he treated Buffy like utter shit in Dead Man's Party, and this? Yeah, I am done with you forever, Xander Harris. You sealed my hate for you in this season.

    – Also, way to be a giant hypocrite, Xander, with that "What, you just tripped and fell on his lips?" You of all people get no judging rights when it comes to kissing someone you shouldn't be kissing, you giant asshole.

    – I love the little bit of Angelus that comes out when Angel gets back up. Whfg sheguref zl bcvavba gung Natry naq Natryhf ner gur fnzr crefba, juvpu jr'yy trg n uvag bs va uvf nobegrq yvar va Qbccrytnatynaq, naq zhpu rkcybengvba va uvf frevrf. BZT PNA'G JNVG FRNFBA GJB BS NATRY VF ONFVPNYYL CRESRPGVBA. <3

    – Ultimately I feel the most sorry for Faith here. She's been misled and outright deceived and left out and used, and not one person in this episode treated her very kindly. It's no wonder she feels alienated from everyone else when all is said and done. I would too. I would be just as hurt and mistrustful in her position, so I get her at the end of the episode. ILU, Faith. You deserve better than this kind of treatment.

    – Boy, the Council really sucks at communication, don't they?

    – Because it brought me joy, and I wish to share that joy with all of you:

    <img src="http://i42.tinypic.com/xbmltz.gif&quot; title="I wonder if we can make Xander Tossing a new Olympic sport.">

  20. arctic_hare says:

    Thoughts on this episode:

    – STOP BLOWING HOLES IN MY SHIP! The Buffy/Faith ship, that is. 🙁

    – I can't even anymore with this Xander/Willow nonsense. PLEASE JUST STOP.

    – I can't even with Xander in this episode, period. He is so awful. I blame Faith's estrangement from the group half on Mrs. Post, and half on him. Plus it's so gross that he riles Faith up to think that Angel has to be killed, and then sidesteps the blame when confronted by Buffy. And I hate the way he talks to Buffy in the intervention thing. He's shaming her for her past choices and essentially blaming Jenny's death on Buffy's decision to have sex with Angel. Super gross and wrong. I'm not convinced his hatred for Angel is entirely based on Angelus' evil deeds, no, that's just his justification after quite some time of hating the guy for simply being Buffy's boyfriend. And lest we forget, he disliked him well before learning he was a vampire, so I don't think that excuse flies either. V frrz gb erpnyy uvz svaqvat gur vqrn bs na nygreangr uvz orvat n onqnff inzcver engure pbby, naq abg trggvat nyy that-ub gb fgnxr Rivy Jvyybj, fb V ernyyl ernyyl qba'g ohl gur "Knaqre whfg ungrf nyy inzcverf!" yvar rvgure. This season, back in the day, was like, the end for me with Xander. He'd already been On Notice due to late season stunts like The Lie in season two, and now he's cheating on Cordelia, he treated Buffy like utter shit in Dead Man's Party, and this? Yeah, I am done with you forever, Xander Harris. You sealed my hate for you in this season.

    – Also, way to be a giant hypocrite, Xander, with that "What, you just tripped and fell on his lips?" You of all people get no judging rights when it comes to kissing someone you shouldn't be kissing, you giant asshole.

    – I love the little bit of Angelus that comes out when Angel gets back up. Whfg sheguref zl bcvavba gung Natry naq Natryhf ner gur fnzr crefba, juvpu jr'yy trg n uvag bs va uvf nobegrq yvar va Qbccrytnatynaq, naq zhpu rkcybengvba va uvf frevrf. BZT PNA'G JNVG FRNFBA GJB BS NATRY VF ONFVPNYYL CRESRPGVBA. <3

    – Ultimately I feel the most sorry for Faith here. She's been misled and outright deceived and left out and used, and not one person in this episode treated her very kindly. It's no wonder she feels alienated from everyone else when all is said and done. I would too. I would be just as hurt and mistrustful in her position, so I get her at the end of the episode. ILU, Faith. You deserve better than this kind of treatment.

    – Boy, the Council really sucks at communication, don't they?

    – Because it brought me joy, and I wish to share that joy with all of you:

    <img src="http://i42.tinypic.com/xbmltz.gif&quot; title="I wonder if we can make Xander Tossing a new Olympic sport.">

  21. arctic_hare says:

    Thoughts on this episode:

    – STOP BLOWING HOLES IN MY SHIP! The Buffy/Faith ship, that is. 🙁

    – I can't even anymore with this Xander/Willow nonsense. PLEASE JUST STOP.

    – I can't even with Xander in this episode, period. He is so awful. I blame Faith's estrangement from the group half on Mrs. Post, and half on him. Plus it's so gross that he riles Faith up to think that Angel has to be killed, and then sidesteps the blame when confronted by Buffy. And I hate the way he talks to Buffy in the intervention thing. He's shaming her for her past choices and essentially blaming Jenny's death on Buffy's decision to have sex with Angel. Super gross and wrong. I'm not convinced his hatred for Angel is entirely based on Angelus' evil deeds, no, that's just his justification after quite some time of hating the guy for simply being Buffy's boyfriend. And lest we forget, he disliked him well before learning he was a vampire, so I don't think that excuse flies either. V frrz gb erpnyy uvz svaqvat gur vqrn bs na nygreangr uvz orvat n onqnff inzcver engure pbby, naq abg trggvat nyy that-ub gb fgnxr Rivy Jvyybj, fb V ernyyl ernyyl qba'g ohl gur "Knaqre whfg ungrf nyy inzcverf!" yvar rvgure. This season, back in the day, was like, the end for me with Xander. He'd already been On Notice due to late season stunts like The Lie in season two, and now he's cheating on Cordelia, he treated Buffy like utter shit in Dead Man's Party, and this? Yeah, I am done with you forever, Xander Harris. You sealed my hate for you in this season.

    – Also, way to be a giant hypocrite, Xander, with that "What, you just tripped and fell on his lips?" You of all people get no judging rights when it comes to kissing someone you shouldn't be kissing, you giant asshole.

    – I love the little bit of Angelus that comes out when Angel gets back up. Whfg sheguref zl bcvavba gung Natry naq Natryhf ner gur fnzr crefba, juvpu jr'yy trg n uvag bs va uvf nobegrq yvar va Qbccrytnatynaq, naq zhpu rkcybengvba va uvf frevrf. BZT PNA'G JNVG FRNFBA GJB BS NATRY VF ONFVPNYYL CRESRPGVBA. <3

    – Ultimately I feel the most sorry for Faith here. She's been misled and outright deceived and left out and used, and not one person in this episode treated her very kindly. It's no wonder she feels alienated from everyone else when all is said and done. I would too. I would be just as hurt and mistrustful in her position, so I get her at the end of the episode. ILU, Faith. You deserve better than this kind of treatment.

    – Boy, the Council really sucks at communication, don't they?

    – Because it brought me joy, and I wish to share that joy with all of you:

    <img src="http://i42.tinypic.com/xbmltz.gif&quot; title="I wonder if we can make Xander Tossing a new Olympic sport.">

  22. Naq ybbx, V qba’g yvxr frrvat Snvgu naq Ohssl svtug, ohg fjrrg onol Tnaqnys, gung jnf na vaperqvoyl puberbtencurq svtug fprar.
    Whfg jnvg gvyy "Guvf Lrne'f Tvey," jura SNVGU NGGNPXF OHSSL JVGU N TYNFF QBBE.

  23. Hypocrisy of Cake says:

    Gb zr, rirelguvat Snvgu qbrf naq orpbzrf pna or genprq onpx gb "Eriryngvbaf."
    V guvax gur riragf bs guvf rcvfbqr bcrarq ure rlrf, fur ybfg fbzrguvat vzcbegnag. Fur vfa'g "rivy" nsgre vg, ohg guvf rcvfbqr ynvq gur tebhaqjbex sbe ure ghea. Vg znxrf zr fnq gb jngpu vg abj orpnhfr V xabj fur yrnearq fbzrguvat oehgny nobhg crbcyr urer naq arire erpbirerq sebz vg.

  24. stellaaaaakris says:

    I didn't even realize that demon Buffy beheaded was Lagos. I thought it was Gwendolyn Price, Mrs. But she was still alive, so I was wrong. And that glove seems kind of useless. Sure, it gives you the power to throw fire, but what use is that if you can't aim? And will there just be lightning and thunder all around you if you put on the glove, just in case you want to scorch some stuff? Wow, nobody's going to want to be around you.

    So what do Watchers who aren't Watching Slayers do? Do they just hang around and train people who may one day become the Chosen One? Who decides who the Chosen Ones are? Do the potential Chosen Ones always know about their possible destiny? Can the Watchers request transfers? Do they all have other jobs? I have important questions.

  25. cait0716 says:

    Oh also, in light of the discussion of the Nigerian mask from Dead Man's Party, I wanted to mention that the Glove of Myneghon is of unspecified origins. Which is really how you should do these things.

  26. DreamRose311 says:

    Don't have a lot of time, so going to go ahead and share some thoughts before reading other comments first –

    Gunax tbbqarff gbzbeebj vf Ybire'f Jnyx naq jr pbhyq chg gur Knaqre/Jvyybj guvat gb erfg (jryy, inzc!gurz nfvqr). Vg jvyy or urnegoernxvat, Pbeql jvyy snxr qvr, naq nyy jvyy or fnq. Ohg, ng yrnfg gur farnxvarff jvyy or qbar jvgu. Cyhf lnlFcvxr! (lrf bar jbeq). Rfcrpvnyyl gur ovgf jvgu Fcvxr naq Jvyybj. Gurfr fprarf ner nyjnlf xvaqn njrfbzr gb zr fvzvyne gb jung jr trg rneyl va frnfba sbhe…

    As to Xander and Willow being mad at Buffy for lying when they themselves are hiding something rather huge – I think it's a type of trend to be overly judgemental of someone who is doing a similar wrong to one you're doing yourself. It's kinda like a mix of overcompensating, projecting, and… a third thing that ran away from my brain. I can see that being kinda realist. Sucky, definitely, but also sadly realistic. V srry yvxr jr frr rira zber bs guvf yngre ba.

  27. Karen says:

    Wow. So a lot happened this episode. For me, the most interesting part of this episode is what happens with Faith. Buffy and the rest of the Scoobies do seem to be making an effort to include Faith, but I think she still feels like an outsider. In her introductory episode she says that maybe if she’d had friends like Buffy she would have at least been sad about dropping out of high school, so it seems to me like Faith hasn’t ever really had real friends of her own before. Gwendolyn Post preys on this insecurity when she tells Faith that the Scoobies had a meeting without her, and thus is able to manipulate Faith into being on her side. I do think though that slowly Faith is starting to feel a part of the group. I love the scene where Faith and Buffy are discussing boys and then of course at the end Buffy tells Faith that she can trust her. So yeah. It’s an uneven process and there are probably trust issues, but Faith is starting to become real friends with Buffy.

    I just cannot with Xander this episode though. Out of all of Buffy’s friends, he is probably the WORST POSSIBLE PERSON to spot Buffy with Angel. I mean he’s always hated Angel and has major jealousy issues. Oh Buffy, I REALLY wish you had confided in Giles. Giles probably would have been able to handle it better if it wasn’t sprung on him as a secret that you were keeping from him. Anyway, Xander has seen Angel and Buffy making out and the Scoobies stage an intervention. It goes predictably awful. Xander is really being unduly harsh in that scene and throws Ms. Calender in Buffy’s face and it’s all really horrible.

    And then Xander is angry that things did not go his way, so he tells Faith that Angel is back AND HE KNEW FULL WELL WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. HE KNEW FAITH WOULD GO AFTER ANGEL. He set up his friend’s (sorta) boyfriend to be killed. Like, this is just so underhanded and shady to me. He’s going behind Buffy’s back and Giles’s back and everyone’s back because he is convinced that he knows what the right course of action is. UGH. STOP IT.

    At least he recognizes that the attack on Giles isn’t Angel’s style. But then idk. The way he is so stonefaced when he tells Buffy that Faith is off to kill Angel… UGH. IDK. IT’S JUST ALL ANGER INDUCING AND I’M REALLY SICK OF XANDER HARRIS AND HIS JEALOUSY FUELLED VENDETTA AGAINST ANGEL. Like I don’t think Angel should be embraced with open arms, but no one is even going to see Angel to see if he has his soul or not. And no one believes Buffy when she tells him that Angel is back and he has his soul, and it’s really frustrating. GUYS, BUFFY WOULDN’T LIE ABOUT THIS. She had the strength to kill Angel even WITH his soul to save the world. I think she would be able to do it again if he was actually soulless this time around.

    Giles was understandably hurt by Buffy’s deception. I did like that Giles stopped Buffy from the Scoobies ganging up on her, but Giles IS hurt. Angel killed Jenny and then spent hours torturing Giles, and Buffy kept the fact that Angel was back a secret from him. I think this hurts him personally and also professionally because he is her Watcher and she should tell him things like that.

    Oh and Willow almost told Buffy about what was going on between her and Xander! Stupid demon, showing up before Willow could come clean. I feel like Buffy would have talked some sense into Willow. Because, seriously you guys, IT IS NOT OK TO DO THIS TO OZ AND CORDY.

  28. cemeterybaby says:

    I like this episode a lot for all the story arcs that get developed but I also sort of hate it? So many parts just make me so uncomfortable.

    I do like that Buffy calls Xander out on his jealousy because for all the shit talking he does of her and her relationships since the beginning of the show, I wish she had more opportunities to tell him to shut up. On the other hand I dislike it because, hello, Cordelia is right there and it IS sort of a dick move to tell someone they're jealous–no matter who true it is–when their girlfriend is right there in the room. Especially when that girlfriend is being cheated on, although of course no one else knows about that, but good lord there sure are a bunch of depressing forces working against Cordelia in that scene. I am at the point in this arc where even when Willow or Xander do something reasonable I just want to glare angrily at the screen because YOU ARE BOTH BEING BIG LYING CHEATERS AND

    Also I will always find it hilarious that Xander sends Faith to kill Angel and then when Buffy and Faith start fighting he decides to tell them to stop fighting??? YOU. YOU DID THIS. If you had not purposefully instigated Faith's anger about being excluded and her lack of intimate understanding about the whole Angel situation (because, YET AGAIN, you decide that you know best about Buffy's ability to handle any given situation with Angel), there would never have been a fight in the first place!!!

    And the end… 🙁 Buffy and Faith both look absolutely beat to shit and Buffy is so remorseful and trying to apologize, because she knows how hard it is to be a Slayer without anyone to understand and doesn't want that for herself OR for Faith, but Faith (understandably!) has such difficulty trusting people and can't do it, and ALMOST lets herself be vulnerable and Buffy is so hopeful but then she just can't. THESE TWO. I just want them to have snarky fight banter and have fun slaying and also sometimes make out FOREVER.

  29. cait0716 says:

    Gur jubyr Snvgu yvivat va cbiregl vf n avpr fhogyr nqqvgvba gb fbzr gurzrf gung pbzr hc yngre ertneqvat jbzra va gur jbexcynpr. Jr xabj gung Tvyrf naq gur bgure jngpuref trg fnynevrf sebz gur Jngpure'f Pbhapvy. Ohg ab bar rire pbafvqref cnlvat gur Fynlref. Ohssl unf gb jbex ng Qbhoyrzrng Cnynpr naq gura nf n thvqnapr pbhafrybe gb fhccbeg urefrys. Naq Snvgu vf urer yvivat va na rvtugrra qbyyne n qnl zbgry ebbz fur pna oneryl nssbeq. Ohg ab bar, vapyhqvat Tvyrf naq rira Ohssl, rira pbafvqref gung znlor fur fubhyq trg cnvq sbe orvat n fynlre. V'z abg rira fher vs guvf jnf na vagragvbany gurzr – va Pebffebnqf Ohssl vafvfgf gung Tvyrf or cnvq uvf fnynel ergebnpgviryl ohg qbrfa'g guvax gb qrznaq cnl sbe urefrys – ohg vg vf vagrerfgvat gb ybbx ng. Rfcrpvnyyl fvapr nyy gur fynlref ner tveyf naq gur Jngpure'f Pbhapvy vf irel zhpu n cngevnepuny rfgnoyvfuzrag.

  30. misterbernie says:

    Last part, less of a turn-on.
    The more you deny it…

  31. NB2000 says:

    – So everything's super awkward between Willow and Xander, nice job redirecting the conversation to Buffy though.
    – She and Faith would be super adorable together though.
    – Buffy for the love of god please remove that "BOMB" hat and burn it.
    – Hee "Synchronised Slaying"
    – Yes I'm sure the "Labyrinth Maps of Malta" are of vital importance for people fighting demons in California. Okay that's a really nitpicky way of saying STOP CRITICISING THE LIBRARY Gwen!
    – "…too American." "Me?" "Him?" hee
    – And more tai chi, Buffy looks like she has no idea what she's doing.
    – Really Buffy, you don't think Angel reacted oddly to the mention of Lagos? Maybe ask him about that? See if he knows anything helpful? No, you're just going to go home, okay.
    – No Willow and Xander! Stay where Giles can see you and disapprove of the clandestine kissing.
    – For a supposedly unreliably sourced image that's a very accurate depiction of the Glove, in other words stop picking on Giles Gwen!
    – Good for Willow for trying to mediate the Intervention. Xander on the other hand. Invoking Jenny's death is way out of line, there was no way for Buffy to stop it.
    – ASH does such a good job with Giles' disappointment in Buffy, you can hear how hurt he is.
    – Awww to Faith standing up for him to Gwen though.
    – Aaand Giles gets knocked out again, he got a break last episode but that's what, four episodes so far this season?
    – Well at least Willow tried to confess about her and Xander, shame about the demonic interruption (only in Sunnydale). Her little "Yes!" after Buffy beheads him is super cute.
    – And so we get Slayers vs. Slayer Round 2: Faith Edition. Really Xander, did you honestly think you could stop a Slayer fight with words?
    – Lightning-y flavoured death for Ms Post. The effects on the lightning are really good, they wanted it to be "lightning power" according to the DVD extras and it definitely shows. The episode in general is kind of meh for me but I really enjoy that sequence where Gwen has the Glove on.
    – Seriously the Council just don't tell Giles anything do they?

  32. cemeterybaby says:

    Flawless post, flawless gif.

  33. enigmaticagentscully says:

    Yeah, the reviews are up at 9pm for me, which kind of breaks up the evening. These days they often go up at 8pm instead though.

    Either way, it totally puts a crimp in my social life. Or it would, y'know, if I had one.

  34. arctic_hare says:

    WTF WHAT HAPPENED D: I approved it in moderation, then it came through again and I deleted what I thought was a duplicate. I DO NOT GET THIS, I WILL UNDELETE. o.O

  35. dasmondschaf says:

    "Really, we're just good friends"
    Faith/Buffy. Yes. More of this, always.

    Oh my, Ms. Post, you are already making a dreadful impression. It's so aggravating to see adults being total bullies; one of my favorite teachers in Middle School was very clearly ostracized by my other teachers due to school politics; they did things like not make accomodations for her disabilit so she could go on the annual retreat, and talked shit about her behind her back. UGH. OF COURSE YOU ARE EVIL, YOU EVIL WOMAN YOU. How could you hit Giles ;_;

    But mostly, omg Faith IT'S OKAY TO TRUST PEOPLE except yeah, if I had your life experiences I would probs react exactly the same way. It's okay; you are my favorite always and forever~

  36. misterbernie says:

    Maybe because I submitted twice (and deleted the one that I saw as in moderation), because I originally had a link I thought triggered the mod-approval. So maybe there was some stream crossing or something. Anyways, hooray now, all shall love me and despair, etc.

  37. enigmaticagentscully says:

    RIGHT? I really want to know more about the Watchers!

  38. Fuchsia says:

    Agreed. I automatically recognize Qnja now and knew what it was referencing.

  39. Nattlinnen says:

    Tvyrf ernyyl qbrf frrz gb unir ceboyrz jvgu rqhpngrq, nhgubevgngvir jbzra. Pbzcner jvgu Cebsrffbe Jnyfu.

  40. The best part was when Mark was all, "rabbit, is you taking notes on a criminal fucking conspiracy?"

  41. hpfish13 says:

    That is a great movie to have as a favorite. I was singing "When Your a Professional Pirate" just the other day while my friend was trying to have a serious conversation about the historically inaccurate depiction of pirates in movies these days…..*is a bad friend and listener*

  42. settlingforhistory says:

    Uh, maybe EPA?

  43. hpfish13 says:

    Me too! It's kind of fun indication of how well you know the show.

  44. rabbitape says:

    Robert Rules say we gotta have minutes for a meeting!

  45. Hanna_the_Glam says:

    This episode has so many good things. I too got on the Fuffy ship this time around; until, y'know, Joss BROKE Faith's ability to trust *shakes tiny fist*. Gwendolyn Post is so wicked that I kind of love her. She is just such a scheming conniver. Or is that conniving schemer?

    And, yeah. Emotional fallout. I like that the closure at the episode's end is very different for Faith, Buffy, and Giles. We get the idea that this was a pretty significant transition for Faith — 'You can't trust guys' has turned into 'You can't trust anyone'. Buffy is relieved to have her secret out in the end, and it feels like she can start to deal with the impacts now. Giles' feelings at the end seem a lot more conflicted and unsure. V jbaqre ubj zhpu gur snyybhg sebz guvf rcvfbqr vasyhraprf uvf vavgvny qrpvfvba gb tb nybat jvgu gur Pehpvnzraghz. Vg'f cbffvoyr gung vs Ohssl unq orra zber hcsebag jvgu uvz, gura ur jbhyq unir sryg zber pbasvqrag nobhg fgnaqvat hc gb gur pbhapvy rneyvre ba.

  46. Katie says:

    Has Giles now been knocked out in every single episode of this season?

  47. cait0716 says:

    It seems like the server issues are getting worse. It can take a long time to load this page. And then I forget and hit refresh and it takes even longer to go through comments

  48. misterbernie says:

    I think there still are; I get at least one server timeout error thing in the time post-upload.

  49. t09yavosaur says:

    -I guess the Dingo's are now the Bronze's go-to band. Not that I am complaining.
    -However, I will start complaining if it gives Willow and Xander the chance to continue their ridiculousness.
    -Buffy is back in her “I'm not a criminal” ski cap. And she has had it bedazzled!
    -New Watcher! Woooooo! Though she better not start criticizing Giles.
    -I said don't do that lady. You will probably end up dead or injured.
    -12 cemetary's 34(?) churches
    -Aw, tandem Tai Chi. Though their arms are not in sync so one of them is doing it wrong.
    -Angel, what are you going to do?
    -STOP IT YOU TWO.
    -But…don't go off to possibly face a demon alone Xander.
    -Theory, Watcher Lady is going to end up wearing the glove.
    -Love that effect with the tea kettle, sound department. Giles isn't boiling over yet though.
    -Xander, you are a tattle-tale.
    -Intervention.
    -I feel sad when everyone gangs up on Buffy because they don't know the full picture and her voice gets all high/stressed/sad and it makes me stressed/sad.
    -That is an impressive amount of misunderstandings all within a few seconds.
    -I don't like that Buffy and Faith fought but it is interesting that it looked like Buffy was the better fighter I think.
    -It shoots lighting? One bolt at a time? And it needs words? That is really what scared Willow and Xander? I am not saying it isn't worrisome but they have definitely seen worse.
    -I guess Mrs. Post still got the Watcher Newsletter since she knew who Faith was, despite being fired a year ago.
    -Do the Watchers not realize that keeping these things from Giles and his Slayer might END THE WORLD someday?

  50. knut_knut says:

    Muppet Treasure Island is THE BEST! I haven’t seen it in so long *tear*. It might be my favourite muppet movie. I can’t decide if it’s that one or their Christmas Carol one.

  51. @sesinkhorn says:

    This is like one of those episodes that Makes My Neck Veins Pop. Not in a bad way, necessarily. It's all written in a way that's INTENDED to get me all pissed off and yelly, but MAN.

    Mrs. Post, YOU SHUT YOUR FACEHOLE TO GILES. YOU SHUT IT.

    Xander, HOW DARE YOU. I MEAN REALLY. Why does he keep going on and on about Ms. Calendar? THE TWO OF THEM WERE NOT CLOSE. It's just jealousy and control issues and guilt because he's doing a bad thing and he knows it. BE AN ADULT PLEASE. STOP TELLING BUFFY HOW SHE SHOULD DEAL WITH THE VERY COMPLEX ANGEL SITUATION. ALSO, STOP MAKING REFERENCES TO HER SEX LIFE IT IS GROSS.

    WHY WON'T ANYONE CHILL THE FUCK OUT AND LISTEN. GAAAAAHHHHHH.

    Yeah, I'm still firmly Team Buffy. I really like that she's not always right, she makes mistakes, AND she has to deal with the consequences of those mistakes. That's good writing. BUT OH MAN YOU GUYS JUST PLEASE LISTEN TO HER. STOP DISREGARDING HER OPINIONS. I think the others are justifiably hurt that she didn't tell them these things, but you'd think they'd at least consider her point of view.

    Except Giles. I can totally stand by Giles here. I think there's a big dynamic happening between him and Buffy where he feels torn between the expectation that he be a prim authority figure who holds sway over his Slayer and feeling really hurt that she (he feels) doesn't respect him or care about his opinions. HE'S SUCH A DAD.

  52. pandoradeloeste says:

    "She really is the opposite of Buffy in many ways, showcasing what it would mean to have the burden of Slayerdom without support of any kind."

    Guvf vf jul V ybir gung ovg nobhg Bguryyb naq Vntb sebz "Rnefubg" – V xabj vg'f gurer gb gnyx nobhg Ohssl naq Natry, ohg V guvax vg fnlf zhpu zber nobhg gur eryngvbafuvc orgjrra Ohssl naq Snvgu. Fb zhpu fb gung rirel gvzr V jngpu gur rcvfbqr V'z n yvggyr fhecevfrq jura fur tbrf gb Natry, engure guna Snvgu.

  53. Well, it doesn't grow on trees!

    (Seriously, I was trying to think of an answer to that question and I was like…tobacco? Oh yeah, gold. Sure do love that gold. Although I would never to think to describe it as something that comes out of the ground, like it just magically grows if you pour water on dirt. Come to think of it, I don't think I actually know where gold comes from. I tend to think of it as being in caves, which are the ground, I guess, but still. But where does it COME from? What is it doing here? Ancient Kryptonians? Another dimension? Oh man, my whole world is crumbling.)

  54. enigmaticagentscully says:

    …how else would you spell fiery?

  55. It also occurs to me that I don't know whether you are a rabbit-ape or a rabbi-tape.

  56. enigmaticagentscully says:

    Buffy sure has made things busy around here, hasn't it? Its kind of awesome.
    😀

  57. lurknomore says:

    I understand that the gang is thinking viscerally rather than logically about Angel, but I kind of wish they – and Buffy and Angel – weighted the actual risks involved. There's room for multiple interpretations of how much responsibility Angel bears for Angelus's actions – my own opinion is enough to legitimately feel guilty, but not enough to be morally punished for it – but the question of whether or not he is too dangerous to keep alive needs to be considered.

    I mean, what, really, are the terms of the curse? If "perfect happiness" is code word for "reaches sexual climax," there's a pretty reliable way to avoid that, as much as it might be painful for Angel. But if it is really about an emotional state, there's more of a risk, since that would mean that there's a far wider range of situations in which Angel could potentially turn.

    In either event, I think the case could be made that the risk is still an acceptable one, but it is something that needs to be discussed, and would be a lot more reasonable position than "well, he killed Jenny and tortured Giles while he didn't have the soul that he now possesses."

  58. tzikeh says:

    *sigh* Yeah.

  59. She obviously had not seen Disney's 'Pocahantas'

    *sings*

    The gold of Cortés
    The jewels of Pizarro
    Will seem like mere trinkets
    By this time tomorrow
    The gold we find here
    Will dwarf them by far
    Oh, with all ya got in ya, boys
    Dig up Virginia, boys…

  60. tzikeh says:

    "Firey." And I'd say 90% of the time, that's how people spell it.

    *cries*

  61. robin_comments says:

    “ And fortunately it’s not up to you.”
    “Excuse me, Mary Poppins, you don’t seem to be listening.”
    “Faith, if the Council feels that you need closer observation, then we will all of course cooperate.”

    This is a very interesting note. It’s something that’s been lingering underneath the surface of the Buffyverse for some time, but I think this may the first point where it’s really become explicit – that idea that the Slayers are tools of the Watcher’s Council and a question raised about what choices they have or don’t have in this relationship.

    Why ISN’T it up to the Slayers? Why do they have the super powers, the responsibility, and the calling, but much less agency than the Council? Why do these Watchers call the shots? What gives them the “right” and a position of authority? (I know us veterans could all theorize and discuss the slayer/watcher relationship in detail in rot13, but for this episode I’m just focusing on the new questions being raised.)

    ”You have to trust that I am right.”

    The end confrontation with Gwendolyn Post underlines this conundrum, because here is this person who no one really knows, but brings with her authority and assumed control due to her status as a Watcher, and in the final fight scene we see Faith trust her judgment over Buffy’s. Now, obviously a lot of things are going on here (Angel being a vampire, Post tapping into Faith’s isolation, etc), but still I think it’s very significant that when Buffy explicitly asks Faith to trust her, Faith decides to follow this new relatively untested Watcher that she doesn’t really know vs a fellow Slayer who she’s known for a month or two now and who she is well aware has actually been regularly putting her life on the line for a couple years, fighting the Forces of Darkness and dying once already in the process.

    ”Faith, a word of advice: you’re an idiot.”

    It kind of makes you wonder. Why does anyone, even our beloved Giles, get to exert such control over these girls? (“I am in complete control over my Slayer.”) Shouldn’t the Watcher be more like the Robin to the Slayer’s Batman?

  62. @liliaeth says:

    I have to say one thing though, someone probably already did, but whatever…

    I don't think that Miss Post is behaving the way she is, just because she likes being an asshole. (not saying that she won't think it's a nice bonus, but there's more to it than that)

    Quite simply, it keeps Giles from asking her too many questions. Because he's too busy trying to gain her approval, to ask her who sent her, what she's doing in Sunnydale, what she's planning to do with Faith and so on…

    It's a simple matter of a con, if the people in authority think you have authority over them, they're not as likely to question you, because they're too busy wondering what they did wrong to get someone checking up on them.

  63. cait0716 says:

    He was hit with a tranquilizer dart in FHaT

  64. robin_comments says:

    yes, yes! Actually, that's perfect.

  65. cait0716 says:

    You're right. My brain is being slow today.

  66. @sesinkhorn says:

    Oh right and I also forgot that at the end of the episode Buffy asks Xander if "they're cool." WHY WASN'T THAT INTERACTION THE OTHER WAY AROUND SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK.

    Also: I am really enjoying all the insight into Faith's character in the comments. Faith really did get the short end of the stick in this episode.

  67. Hanna_the_Glam says:

    "Nu, V nz ab Nyserq, fve. Lbh sbetrg — Nyserq unq n wbo!"

  68. ladyknight27 says:

    It's a sign that I've been on this site too much that I immediately Rot13'd your last line, and was deeply confused when it didn't translate into anything coherent…

  69. arctic_hare says:

    Also, this is nitpicky as fuck, but I can't help but notice how healthy that night-blooming jasmine looks when they go out to that area of the mansion. Who the hell went in and watered that over the Southern California summer? If it really was neglected till Angel's return, it would look really really dead, especially considering that the summer of 98 in this lovely state was hot as balls thanks to El Nino the previous winter. SORRY I JUST THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS, SINCE I LIKE PLANTS AND TRY TO CARE FOR THEM. I have seen what happens when that particular one doesn't get enough regular watering during hot summers and it isn't pretty. 🙁

  70. plaidpants says:

    I think this is the first time they've named "the counsel" – I love learning about organizational/governmental structures, so I can't wait to find out more about the counsel. What do they do? Are they like what watchers do if they aren't assigned to a Slayer? Are they elected on there? It sounds like its all based out of England too, what with that watchers "across the pond" comments.

    The whole Buffy/Scoobies fight was just uncomfortable to watch (aren't they always). As usual, there's good points on both sides. But I think Giles rebuke was more

    Faith and Xander going after Angel – not okay. I do appreciate that Xander really took a look at Giles, and realized that Angel wouldn't have done that. That was him being reasonable, and then he seemed to go back on that thought two seconds later, which didn't really makes sense.

    And then its just miscommunication and misunderstandings all around! Faith doesn't know who Angel is, Angel doesn't know who Faith is, Mrs. Post is just playing everyone! Gah. I understand at the end that Faith feels upset that she was played, but I still think she should be a little more understanding/accepting of Buffy. I'm sure she's just scared of getting hurt again, but still.

  71. Taslin says:

    Is it bad that I actually find Faith's character turn to be somewhat amusing? Think about it: she's LOST FAITH in other people. I just hope this doesn't mean we're about to lose her…

  72. Sarah S says:

    I think the thing that aggravates me most, and this was the point in the series when I really started to dislike Xander out-and-out, is that his actions about and against Angel, his reasons for claiming Buffy's a bad person for how she deals with Angel, all these things are being retconned in his own mind. He might say that Buffy's being careless of other people or selfish or whatever, but his reasons for doing it are all because he's bitter Buffy picked Angel over him. I can forgive a lot for how people feel about things and the impact personal feelings have on a person's ability to look rationally at something, but every thing Xander says and does in relation to Angel seems to boil down to, "How dare you be more interesting romantically to Buffy than I am?" It starts comeing out here and makes me look back at things he did before through a totally different lens.

    For the record, I firmly believe a lot of hatred of characters on a series by fans who've seen a whole series comes out of places like this.

  73. enigmaticagentscully says:

    I just now had a thought.

    Sucks to be Mrs Post's husband.

  74. Hanna_the_Glam says:

    Months later, Mr. Post enters the Council Headquarters after finally piecing together the mystery of his wife's disappearance. "Why didn't you tell me she turned evil and got destroyed by the slayer?!" he shouts, interrupting the rummy game in the corner. One of the watchers says, "What? Didn't you get the memo?"

  75. Mauve_Avenger says:

    " A word of advice? Vampires rarely knock. Especially in daylight."

    I would think that a vampire gaining entrance to Faith's room would be pretty dependent on knocking, what with the whole "not unless invited" thing. Is a[n occupied] motel room considered a public space in that respect, then?

  76. Nos says:

    I have only one thing to say about this episode:

    BZT BZT YBIREF JNYX YBIRE JNYX

  77. Beri_adanwen says:

    "Canada?…that's a State, nevermind"

    Hahaha oh god, that is too funny

    I mean, I'm used to Americans not knowing anything about Canadian geography, but come on.

  78. Beri_adanwen says:

    "Canada?…that's a State, nevermind"

    Hahaha oh god, that is too funny

    I mean, I'm used to Americans not knowing anything about Canada, but come on.

  79. theDMG says:

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  80. lawrence_s says:

    I have really mixed feelings on Xander's (and to a lesser extent, the other Scoobies') actions in this episode.

    For one thing, I don't think he knew that Angel had his soul back. Yes, he probably should have assumed it since he saw Buffy kissing him and not trying to stake him, but I'm certainly OK with him at least bringing up the fact that Angel is alive to Giles, because on the surface, they're right – Buffy shouldn't have hidden that from them.

    (Though I get, especially given everything he says in this episode, why Buffy hadn't told Xander that Willow's curse worked. There's no way that conversation would have gone well. And I can't imagine Giles or Willow would have betrayed Buffy's confidence and told Xander themselves.)

    And then on the flip side, he rats Buffy out for kissing Angel, which isn't really relevant to their discussion. The fact that he's alive is really all he needed to share. (I especially found it awkward and rude that Oz, the person in the group who knows Buffy the least, was the one who actually brought that up to her.)

    And Willow's 'I statement' thing is kind of hilarious, because she uses it to say "I think YOU…." which pretty much still defeats the purpose. Only Cordelia really got it right, which is kind of surprising. I'd expect her to be the one to make an accusation and phrase it as an I statement, not Willow.

    But as much as he hates Angel, when Faith immediately jumps to the conclusion that Angel attacked Giles, Xander actually defends him. He can't stop Faith, but he at least didn't just say, "Yup, must be Angel, let's go." Even though that's what they were on their way to do initially. The attack on Giles definitely gave him second thoughts.

    And again, flip side, when Buffy shows up and asks what happened, he's a total ass to her about Angel. Again. Why couldn't he have told her exactly what happened? Like, "I tried to tell her this wasn't Angel's work, but she wouldn't listen. She's got about a ten minute head start. Go stop her, I'll go with Giles." But instead, he echoes Faith's conclusion. (Dollhouse spoilers: Jubn. 'Rpubrf Snvgu'f'. Uhu.)

    So yeah, he had chances to Do The Right Thing (or Mostly Right), and came SO CLOSE a couple of times, before screwing it all up. But then, that's what makes people, and this show, complicated. And I think interesting, too, because if it were so simple as right or wrong, or right for the right reasons and wrong for the wrong reasons, there wouldn't be conflict. (It would make for easier lives, but lousy television.)

    The other issue I have with this episode, though, is – and I know, I know, 'suspension of disbelief' – the fact that neither Willow nor Giles sustained serious lasting injuries from what probably should otherwise have been fatal blows to the head. I mean, obviously they can't kill off every character who suffers a head injury, but at the very least, Willow shouldn't have been able to regain consciousness quite that quickly. (Rira Fcvxr qbrfa'g jura Tybel xabpxf uvz bhg va Oybbq Gvrf!)

    Gubhtu ernyyl, ng gur raq bs gur qnl, Eriryngvbaf jnf whfg gur hasbeghangryl arprffnel rcvfbqr gb trg guebhtu fb jr pbhyq trg gb gur nznmvat Ybiref Jnyx gbzbeebj naq Gur Jvfu ba Zbaqnl.

  81. Kari18212 says:

    UGH life is getting in the way of me being early ish in the comments which is just so annoying. Anyway, finally finished rewatching although this is one of the two episodes that I had on tape (yes, as in VHS tape, ridiculous I know) and therefore I have seen it SO. MANY. TIMES. So I already knew the Giles Knock-Out Count went up again today to 13.5, which makes 3/4 episodes this week! Yikes, no wonder he had to go to the hospital this time 🙁 Although, if you had to pick a message Giles, I would have gone with Gwen Post hit me over destroy the glove, but that could just be me.

    Also, 100% agree that the Buffy/Faith fight scene kind of looked amazing, but all the sadfaces because Faith has enough trust issues already 🙁 🙁 Also, damn did her face look trashed in that last scene. Usually they use the Slayer healing excuse to avoid showing those bumps and bruises, so when they do, I think it makes it even more effective.

  82. echinodermata says:

    Thanks. I know intellectually Faith won't appeal to everyone, but she's really easy to understand for me and moreover I just want to understand her. She's just really really compelling to me.

  83. echinodermata says:

    Thanks.

  84. notemily says:

    You may notice a certain theme in this comment.

    – "Really, we're just good friends." FAITH/BUFFY. I SHIP IT.
    – NOW THEY'RE BOTH DOING TAI CHI I CAN'T
    – SEXY TAI CHI? You guys this isn't Dirty Dancing. Or Dirty Meditative Exercises
    – Cold turkey is not always the key to quitting, actually. For example, if you cold-turkey quit something that has really bad withdrawal symptoms, you can die. In that case gradual tapering is the way to go.
    – This episode makes me sad. I don't like it when people are mean to Faith, or when she loses faith in Buffy. No pun intended.
    – Sad guitar of infidelity!
    – Xander sees Angel and Buffy kissing, and you just KNOW he's going to be all judgy and awful about it. When he's CURRENTLY CHEATING ON HIS GIRLFRIEND.
    – Shut up, Mrs. Post.
    – Oh god, now they're having a fucking INTERVENTION? I hate you all forever.
    – Shut up, Xander.
    – I don't usually say this, but shut up, Oz.
    – SHUT THE FUCK UP, XANDER. SERIOUSLY. UGH.
    – I hate when Giles is like "I won't remind you blah blah blah" because by saying that, he IS reminding her. Passive-aggressive bullshit. I agree that Buffy should have told him LONG before, but don't pretend you're not scolding Buffy when you totally are.
    – I hate you all forever.
    – "A bunch of guys from Spart?" Hee.
    – Now Mrs. Post is being all nice and mentor-y to Faith, but instead of dying like the ones who are nice to Buffy, she turns out to be evil. I hate her.
    – Fuck you Mrs. Post, for deliberately undermining Faith's trust in Giles, Buffy and the rest.
    – Heh, Willow is so guilty about making out with Xander. "Secrets are good!" (Also, her little thing about secrets making things sexier shows me that she doesn't really want to be with Xander–it's just the thrill of something forbidden that attracts her.)
    – I hate Xander here for riling Faith up, too. HATE. HATE HATE HATE EVERYONE.
    – But Faith, you can't slay Angel, he needs to be on the spinoff!
    – NOOO GILES DON'T TELL MRS. POST WHERE THE GLOVE IS
    – SHE'S EVIL
    – Giles knockout count goes up!
    – I love Willow's little "Yess!" after Buffy kills the demon.
    – COME ON WILLOW JUST TELL HER
    – I hate you so much Xander
    – Ahahahah they keep the weapons IN the library cage? You know, the one they ALSO LOCK THE WEREWOLF IN?
    – Well, at least Xander chooses GILES'S LIFE over killing Angel. You get, like, one point for that, combined with the fifty billion points you lost in this episode alone.
    – Whee, living flame
    – I hate you so much Xander
    – Faith/Angel fight! LOL WHEN DID ANGEL PUT A SECTIONAL COUCH IN THE MANSION
    – SLAYER FIGHT SLAYER FIGHT SLAYER FIGHT
    – Faith beats up Xander. Thanks, Faith!
    – NOOOO NO HITTING WILLOW
    – Faith, you trusted the wrong Watcher 🙁
    – "Oddly enough, your boyfriend. Again."
    – "Are we cool?" NO. XANDER SUCKS.
    – Faaaaaaaaaith I JUST WANT YOU AND BUFFY TO GET ALONG AND BE FRIENDS AGAIN AND GO OUT FOR SEXY SLAYING TIEMS
    – Still hate Buffy's hair
    – Faaaaith WHAT WERE YOU GOING TO SAY OMG
    – ALSO I HATE XANDER FOREVER

  85. Hypocrisy of Cake says:

    Outrage on Xander's behalf—>GLbh thlf ner jnl gbb ebhtu ba Knaqre. Qvq lbh thlf nyy unir n frperg zrrgvat naq qrpvqr vg jnf gur pbby guvat gb qb? Uzzcu. Lbh'yy nyy or fbeel jura Knaqre fnirf gur jbeyq. *tehzoyr tehzoyr tehzoyr*b zr, rirelguvat Snvgu qbrf naq orpbzrf pna or genprq onpx gb "Eriryngvbaf."

  86. spikesjojo says:

    Do they teach tai chi in hell? That would just explain so much.

    As for the silence about Angel, kinda hard to say "You remember my boyfriends, Angel. He's just back from hundreds of years in torment in hell, and still not back to normal. Don't worry – he only turns into a murdering psychopath if I make him happy. So, excuse us while we go make kissy face."

  87. MrsGillianO says:

    I always thought Gwendolen Post's accent was way too artificial to be real, but it's Kristin Scott-Thomas's sister, so I suppose it must be.

    By this stage we are so accustomed to the way each storyline ties in to the themes of all the others that we almost don't notice the awesomeness. Trust, truth, literal faith are explored in a cascade of situations, and the hypocrisy and self-deception laid bare. Xander is angry about being kept in the dark. And just what, Mr Harris, are you doing to Cordelia?

    Naq gbzbeebj gur rkcyvpvgyl rivy gehgu-fcrnxre jvyy cbvag vg nyy bhg.

    Also, re your line about identity, have you noticed that the first episode of each season so far has shown us Buffy needing to redefine her identity as Slayer and integrate it with her personality? They are not necessarily strong episodes in all respects, but this theme of a teenage girl having to rediscover who she actually is rings very true to me.

  88. SteveP says:

    So sad at the end to see bruised Faith all alone, lonely and resentful. So sad. The gulf between her and Buffy seems unbreachable.

    Mr Whedon is taking us all to the dark place again. Sorry, Faith … you chose the wrong town/show to walk into, for happiness and bunnies.

  89. Danny_SAP says:

    <img src="http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz5j73Sqbt1qz5stv.png&quot; />

    BUFFY I wouldn't use the word dating, but I am going out with somebody. Tonight, as a matter of fact. WILLOW Really? Who? FAITH Yo, what's up? Hey, time to motorvate. BUFFY Really, we're just good friends.

    My present to you, Fuffy shippers.
    <img src="http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz5j82ysul1qz5stv.png&quot; />

    GILES That was bracing. BUFFY Interesting lady. Can we kill her? GILES I think the council might frown upon that.

    What is that God awful hat, Buffy.
    <img src="http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz5j9eL1tS1qz5stv.png&quot; />
    The crashing cymbal of possible detection interrupts the classical guitar of infidelity
    <img src="http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz5jam1JRG1qz5stv.png&quot; />

    ANGEL No, don't. Once you put it on, the glove can never be removed. BUFFY So… no touching. Kinda like us.

    Thanks for spelling out that metaphor.
    <img src="http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz5jbaWHZ11qz5stv.png&quot; />

    BUFFY You were spying on me? What gives you the right? CORDELIA What gives you the right to suck face with your demon lover again? BUFFY It was an accident. XANDER What, you just tripped and fell on his lips? BUFFY It was wrong, okay? I know that, and I know that it can't happen again. But you guys have to believe me. I would never put you in any danger. If I thought for a second that Angel was going to hurt anyone… XANDER …you would stop him. Like you did last time with Ms. Calendar.

    Xander isn't really this dense, he just plays it up for the cameras.
    <img src="http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz5jc1S7sx1qz5stv.png&quot; />

    GILES Be quiet. I won't remind you that the fate of the world often lies with the Slayer. What would be the point? Nor shall I remind you that you've jeopardized the lives of all that you hold dear by harboring a known murderer. But sadly, I must remind you that Angel tortured me… for hours… for pleasure. You should have told me he was alive. You didn't. You have no respect for me, or the job I perform.

    A Giles reprimand is the worst kind.
    <img src="http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz5jcz2vhi1qz5stv.png&quot; />
    Quick! Throw the giant axe behind the check out desk.
    <img src="http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz5jf9zqxG1qz5stv.png&quot; />

    GWENDOLYN Bugger! Bugger!

    She's British, have you noticed yet?
    <img src="http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz5jfsbvNk1qz5stv.png&quot; />
    I have to say, the rain of glass and lightning is pretty cool.
    <img src="http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz5jguee5t1qz5stv.png&quot; />

    BUFFY What are you guys talking about? OZ Oddly enough, your boyfriend. Again.

    Is that a facial expression I see?

  90. 00guera00 says:

    Rkprcg gung'f ohyyfuvg gung Knaqre whfg ungrf inzcverf. Ur'f zru nobhg puvccrq Fcvxr naq qbrfa'g guvax ur fubhyq or fgnxrq hagvy Fcvxr naq Naln fyrrc gbtrgure naq ur svaqf bhg Ohssl jnf fyrrcvat jvgu uvz. Fher ur pnyyf uvz n guvat naq qvfyvxrf uvz, ohg ur unq Fcvxr fyrrcvat va uvf onfrzrag sbe njuvyr naq arire bapr 'nppvqragnyyl' syvccrq n phegnva bcra ba n fhaal qnl. Be frg n fynlre nsgre uvz.

    He hates Angel. Not because he's a vampire, but because Buffy likes him. He can comment on the fact that he hates Angel, but he can't stand there self righteously and BLAME BUFFY for Jenny's death without some people side eying him pretty hard. He's condescending and cruel. And it has nothing to do with the fact that he's male, I'd be just as pissed if a female said it.

  91. Mauve_Avenger says:

    Oh! For some reason I'd completely forgotten that he was a vampire and not some other sort of demon.

  92. kelseyofcake says:

    -OH HOORAY! The show ships Buffy/Faith! Well, kind of I guess.
    -This woman is being sassy about Giles' book collection and his Watcher duties. GET OUT FOREVER.
    -Buffy, it isn't quitting cold turkey if you're still sneaking off to see him, albeit platonically.
    -WILLOW XANDER NO NO KISSING!!!!! I am so disappointed in you both.
    -Oh boy that is not good. Xander is going to jump to conclusions and ruin everything! And I had just gone a couple episodes without wanting to smack him into oblivion too!
    -Buffy, Angel, what are you doing? 🙁 You're both just going to make everything harder for yourselves….
    -XANDER THIS WAS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS! SHUT UP AND GO AWAY! If you were legitimately concerned that it was Evil Angel that was back I might not be so angry with you, but I don't think Buffy would have been making out with him if he was!
    -YES, GOOD! Buffy, direct your anger at Xander all you want. ALSO STOP WITH THE JENNY THING XANDER! You're just using that as ammo against Buffy!
    -Oh, Giles, not you too. Except this actually hurts because you have multiple personal reasons to be upset about this. And you're so easily hurt as it is. 🙁
    -XANDER YOU ARE DELIBERATELY MAKING FAITH THINK ANGEL IS STILL EVIL. FUCK YOU AND YOUR MEDDELING.
    -Oh no you did not just knock Giles out! HOW DARE YOU.
    -I'm really, really disappointed in you, Willow. You have to talk about this.
    -”Shut up and help me” yes yes it makes me happy when people call Xander out on his doucheyness.
    -NO FAITH STOP IT DAMMIT!
    -No, don't knock out Willow!
    -YES GOOD ANGEL! Best vampire.
    -Buffy just killed a human. An evil human, but a human. Considering how much of a big deal this usually is I'm surprised no one is talking about it.
    -Well I'm glad you're being reasonable now Xander. Can you keep it up longer this time? Please?
    -So this ending with faith can be summed up as three parts awkward, uncomfortable, and sad. I feel so bad for her.

    "JUNG GUR SHPX QB LBH GJB GUVAX LBH NER QBVAT? Bu tbq, vg’f bayl tbvat gb raq va qvfnfgre, vfa’g vg? Zl urneg vf nyernql cer-oernxvat sbe Pbeql naq Bm."

    Jryy, gbzbeebj vf tbvat gb n ovt oneery bs ynhtuf, vfa'g vg?

  93. quenstalof says:

    -That line about the Twilight Compendium? was totally not as funny when this originally aired. Now I want to read a fic where Giles has to use Twilight for some Slayerly purpose.
    -Disappointed Giles is the worst kind of Giles 🙁
    -Ugh it had to be Xander who saw Angel first didn't it?
    -Oh no an Angel intervention.
    -God I hate this ganging up strategy the Scoobies always use. It just gives me really bad second-hand awkward. Like really bad.
    -Oh fuck you Xander. Bringing up Jenny? Such a low blow.
    -I know Giles is feeling under pressure because of the arrival of Mrs. Post, but shouldn't he know better?
    -I just cannot believe how excited Xander is about killing Angel.
    -What is Angel doing?! oh probably destroying the glove
    -Fuck Xander, this is unforgivable! I just don't understand how that's ok.
    -Oh shit, Faith is gonna see them fighting and come to the wrong conclusion.
    -Well we did want to see who would win in a fight between buffy and faith.. Guess we won't find out…today.
    -Is Willow gonna save the day with magic!? I guess not, but I want this so badly.
    -Ew why would you want to be friends with him again? I do not understand.
    -So is that the last we'll see of Faith for awhile? I feel like maybe that was an unsaid goodbye.

    Five by five! So I was reading Ex-Patriots and they were talking about Five-by-five as a Buffy reference and I was really sad that I didn't get it. But now I do! So yay!

  94. fantasylover120 says:

    I think everyone's pretty much covered everything I have to say. For the record I've always thought Faith has a bit of a unrequited thing for Buffy, but that may just me. So believe me I'm with you on the Faith/Buffy shipping.
    Daily Buffy Quotable:
    "Interesting lady. Can we kill her?"-Buffy
    "Hey, you're not the Watcher of me."-Xander
    "What's with all the tragedy masks?"-Buffy
    "I can't believe how much I'm going to kill you."-Faith
    "They swear there was a memo."-Giles re: the Council screwing up the Gwendolyn thing.

  95. t09yavosaur says:

    What is this 51st state I wonder.

    It is interesting how many Americans probably could not pass our citizenship test.

  96. rabbitape says:

    I LOVE Nausicaa! And Totoro and Kiki too, and Ponyo, but I think the 3 I listed are more well known/available, maybe because they had wider releases? Or maybe because I saw them first and I'm super biased.

    Also, I feel like Mononoke itself is a great Miyazaki primer for anyone who might be new to his work, because it captures so many elements you find in varying degrees in his other films.

  97. LadyPeyton says:

    We're all doomed.

  98. tzikeh says:

    "What were the europeans most interested in America during colonization?"

    I can see how your average American student (wow, I typed "average American stupid" at first) would not know that the answer was gold–because "AMERICA" doesn't include anything that isn't in the United States, as far as they're concerned, and there was no gold to be had in the original colonies.

    Not knowing where you get gold from, however, is… well, to be expected, actually, as I've been saying.

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