Ah, I am quite satisfied with life because Fringe is back on our television sets. Did you know that ratings went up in the best demographic and this is wonderful and exciting? Let’s help keep this wondrous show on the air by liveblogging this week’s episode. OH, FRINGE, WHAT WONDERS DO YOU HIDE.
Screw having a social life. I’ll be plopped on my couch Friday night to watch this live. YOU SHOULD DO THE SAME! I will put the review up on Saturday afternoon as well. No waiting three days like last time. So let’s get to it!
Because we are all on the exact same ground this time around, our spoiler policy for these blogs will be completely different. Anything that has aired in the past is fair game for discussion. Anything that has not publicly aired WILL BE CONSIDERED A SPOILER.
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GO, MY FRINGIES. GO FORTH AND BLOG.
wtf is going on
OOOOO is the dark thing she loved him? I thought there was something in the box
This is all very creepy and serious, but lol at the fan
Oh no! What's going to happen to him without those memories? 🙁
Is he going to become a creepy serial killer?
Uh, what.
Oh crap.
His memories were extracted? BRRRMMM
Okay, that's better.
Peter
Theme I see you now. It's so obvious after the fact. 😀
Stop with the references to Peter through important people in your life, you're going to break my heart if you keep it up.
"an imprint that can never be erased" :')
btw this Peter being almost wiped from time stuff is reminding me of Doctor Who.
He obviously fell through the crack and is attempting to pull a Rory and bust his way back out again.
He can hear him now, too!
Petergeist returns!!!
That explains the music! Ah!!
I would be reacting like this if I heard voices calling my name too. D:
!!!!!!!!!! He can talk to them !!!!!!!!! nogifforthesethingsthatiamfeeling
Did anyone just catch Peter in the background as Olivia and Broyles were walking down the hospital hallway? Anyone have a screen cap?
REALLY?! I completely missed it! Was he reflected in something?
Pretty sure he was in the background (out of focus?) right as Broyles was saying his line about people leaving an indelible mark on your soul. I'm not positive since it was pretty quick – hoping someone might have grabbed a screen cap!
Was that Peter or was that just the Observer? I thought it was just the Observer appearance of the episode.
It is the Observer. Thank goodness for Tivo.
The last letter is an S btw
So it was LIMBUS. I stand corrected!
what was Kennedy up to this episode?
Getting his bangs under control, I hope.
OH MAN that preview of next week.
AH SUBCONSCIOUS MEMORIES OF PETER!
Fun as always everyone! Can't wait until next week!
So… are we allowed to talk about the ENORMOUS PLOT HOLES that now exist because Peter doesn't? Like HOW DID OLIVIA GET BACK FROM THE OTHER UNIVERSE? In related questions, Other-Broyles is still alive and FauxLivia is still with Frank because Olivia didn't escape from the Other Side? Now see question 1.
Fun new word for the week: limbus – the border or edge of something, especially where the sclera and the cornea meet, also known as the corner of your eye. Where Peter is now apparently hiding…
how are they plot holes though? things just happened in a different way without peter and the show will reveal in which ways the important parts did happen, like it's been doing so far.
I call them "plot holes" because without Peter they shouldn't have happened at all. Well, not so much the Other-Broyles being alive and Fauxlivia still being with Frank thing, mostly the Olivia escaping from the Other Side/Olivia being kidnapped by the Other Side in the first place thing.
Think about it – Olivia only managed to escape from the Other Side because she remembered Peter. Because the memories of him kept her strong enough to break through the false memories. Now, assume that Peter never existed, and that Olivia wasn't placed into Fauxlivia's life. In that case, where was she being kept? Probably in that dark, locked room, or in a maximum security holding facility. So how did she escape?
Now, recall why Fauxlivia ended her mission on our side. It was because Peter realized that she wasn't the real Olivia. So why did she end it this time? Walter is too crazy to realize the difference, Broyles is too absent, and while Astrid is good, I think that Olivia is a solitary enough person (without Peter) that any quirks would have been brushed off. Also, if she ended the mission on her terms, without them knowing the difference, why did the Other Side let our Olivia go free and NOT kill her. They were even planning to do that when Peter DID exist. And it probably would have been easier if she'd been held captive too. Just slip something into her food or whatever. Because there wouldn't have been any talk of crossing over or cortexiphan (sp?), so the one geeky scientist (whose name I can never seem to remember if he has one) wouldn't have cared about dissecting Olivia.
(see also – my comment on the third comment)
I do HOPE that all the things that don't make sense right now are explained in reasonable fashion later on… actually, I just hope that Peter comes back really really soon (stop ignoring him, Walter!!!) so that things don't have to be explained. I'll be happy with that, mostly, except in the very back of my mind where I keep wondering how exactly they believed things happened without Peter… which will slowly drive me mad, because that's what this show does. 😀
You covered the issues I was having and a ton more, causing a ton more! Can't wait for more Fringe!
according to wikipedia: Limbo (Latin limbus, edge or boundary, referring to the "edge" of Hell)
multiple meanings.
But the word wasn't "limbo", it was "limbus". Wikipedia isn't a very reliable source, and doesn't actually have the definition of "limbus", I looked. Here, http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/limbus is a better source because, you know, it's a dictionary.
But yes, "limbo" does originate from the Latin word "limbus", so the two words are related. But it's "limbo" that refers to the edge of Hell, not "limbus". "Limbus" is the border of ANYTHING… in Latin (which is a stupid language and I wish I'd never had to learn it -.-), just in today's language it means the edge of the eye.
I'm assuming things didn't go down the exact same route only minus Peter. The universe changes seem to be a lot deeper than that. I mean our verse were the ones to go over to the other side to rescue Peter originally but by the sounds of it this time it was the alt!verse who came over here and kidnapped Olivia so Fauxlivia could take over her life to get machine parts so I'm assuming there wasn't any kind of switch with false memories this time around and Olivia just plain old escaped because she's a bad ass that way. And if I'm remembering correctly from the episode it only lasted 2 weeks.
Oh, yes, I agree that obviously things would have had to happen differently without Peter. They clearly did. And yes, I agree that it sounds like the Other Side were the ones to come here and do some kidnapping… but why? What would have been the motivation for Walternate to come over here in the first place, if Peter never existed? Because, as I recall, Walternate's war with our side only came about because Walter kidnapped Peter over here, and young Olivia, unknowingly, went Over There and told Walternate that Peter was here.
But if Peter never existed, then he was never kidnapped, and if he was never kidnapped, then the Other Side definitely wouldn't have known about our universe and possibly wouldn't have started falling apart, and would therefore have no motivation to send Fauxlivia over here to replace our Olivia. Remember too, that even with Peter, the Other Side didn't have the technology to let humans pass (safely) between worlds either. They could only send the shape shifters through.
Maybe I'm just over thinking things, but the more I think about things, the less they make sense without Peter…
I don't think it's that Peter never existed but that he died as a child, hence the whole they must never know the boy became a man that one of the Observers said. Equally Walter talked about how people die and sometimes they even die twice, which implies to me that he still had some kind of involvement with the other sides Peter, just this time he died, probably when September intervened and saved them.
How Walternate found out about it I don't know, maybe he figured it out when all the problems started happening in his universe, but Olivia was kidnapped so Fauxlivia could get the pieces of the machine that were in our universe, as to how the whole machine thing works without Peter I have no idea.
"Peter died as a child" certainly does make some things make (slightly) more sense. Slightly.
It still doesn't explain why it was Olivia that they picked, or how the Other Side managed not one or two but a minimum of FOUR safe, human crossings (Olivia there, Fauxlivia here, Fauxlivia there, Olivia here – this assumes that either shape shifters did the kidnapping or that it was done by the here-to-there technique which replaces the mass of the one being transferred with an equivalent mass from the Other Side, and that no other humans made the crossing at either time). There was no guarantee that our Olivia had anything like the same kind of life as Fauxlivia, so then, why kidnap her?
Fringe makes my head spin and my brain twist… WHY DO THEY DO THIS TO US?!?
TWO MINUTES TWO MINUTES
Wow, the next episode of Kitchen Nightmares looks sad.
JUST GET TO THE EPISODE!!!
omg so excited
what the holy hell is going on
OMG WHAT THE HELL.
What is in his head?! WHAT'S GOING ON?! WHAT THE FUCK?!
Walter is so theatrical.
But wow, he really hates the other universe.
Hipster!Lincoln is so cute!
I love that Walter still gets names wrong.
Lol! Kennedy! I love it! We've only got so many presidents for him to run through though.
Awww, I was hoping for Astrid/Honest Abe instead of Olivia/Honest Abe.
Wait, this crazy bastard froze these people?
YES YES YES BOTH OLIVIAS IN THE SAME UNIVERSE
But can they work together?!
First letter is L!
It's weird that they call ID's "show me's".
ALTERNATE BROYLES IS STILL ALIVE. WTF.
DID SHE JUST SAY ALT!BROYLES IS ALIVE?!?!?!
FAUXLIVIA YOU ARE SO CREEPY
wait is alternate Broyles alive?
Wow. One's a serial killer, one studies serial killers. Oh the paths we take.
i am so into the premise of this episode.
Wow. Asking if I have allergies, sedating me… I would back the hell out of whatever the FBI was asking me to do.
Shit, she's still with Frank?! I don't mind this actually, he was cute.
anna torv how do you not have any fucking awards. please someone give her all of them
OMG, creepy serial killer in the background.
L-I
Damn, this music makes everything seem really intense.
walter i love you forever.
Poor Walter. Seeing Peter must be terrifying.
Awww, Astrid! You are the greatest! Genius, agent, therapist, friend!
It must be weird to profile yourself from another universe.
omg this is so clever and I love it.
You can't steal a mom! She has a kid!!
YOU CAN'T STEAL A KID!!!
Oh man, it must be bizarre to see stuff that you knew in another house…
"He hates that they have happy lives."
Oh my God, that's awful.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A DISASTER.
OH FUCK.
Oh shit, he's making connections, this is bad omg freaking out
this is freaky and awesome
OMG, AMBER
Busted!
L-I-M
I FUCKING LOVE THIS GODDAMN SHOW.
Charlie married the Bug Lady!?!
SECRETS. ARE YOU SERIOUS.
Are you sure there was something wrong with you and not your abusive father?
OMG Olivia talking about abuse. this show. i love it. i love it so much.
Oh man. Talk about just one person's importance in a life…
No, seriously, this monologue is absolutely fucking fantastic. Bravo, Fringe, for putting this front-and-center.
Obviously he'd run.
OMG ALT!BROYLES IS ALIVE
I AM SO HAPPY
gahhhhhhhh! he is alive
AHHHH ALTERNATE BROYLES.
Kickastrid has red in her curls?
I love that name, Kickastrid. Bravo to you.
I wish I could take credit for it, but Jasika Nicole said that's what she calls alternate Astrid at a panel, so I decided to use it.
OMG
That must be terrifying.
L-I-M-B
so much to process… is he sick enough to drill his alternate self's head?
evidently yes
Yup.
The Olivia's are working together!!
OMG, how creepy must this be for these guys.
Wow, to be confronted with yourself, a self that's different, that's stable?
Shit, he's going to burrow in his brain.
THIS IS SO FUCKING UNREAL. I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS.
this show, y'all.
Wait, what? She killed her stepfather? I thought he was still alive, sending her birthday cards to creep her out?
Maybe Peter's existence somehow prevented her from killing her stepfather?
Remember young!Peter met young!Olivia at the cortexiphan center and he kinda helped her tell someone about her stepfather. Only, it was Walternate, in the main timeline. Well if she didn't have Peter there . . .
WHAT! WHAT WHAT ATHAAS; WHAT IS THAT THING!!!!!
Damn. there is no way this can end well, is there?
L-I-M-B-U
There's a cellar! Of course!
How long was he with Marjorie? Didn't his father wonder about him?
This is so strange!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this show !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He stole the memories… and feels now. So what about the guy on our side? Without those memories, what will he become?
He'll be a killer, no control, I am in fear.
Even when it's darkest, we can step into the light… doesn't remember her, remembers the lessons.
Peter…!
THIS SHOW. OMG THE SUBTEXT ABOUT PETER.
I hate seeing Walter sleep in a lab, alone, frightened.
Walter needs a hug.
OH MY GOD IT'S PETER
HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT.
omg that was seriously one of the best episodes ever.
L-I-M-B-U-S
oh wow, the preview looks great!
that was the best thing i've seen in a really long time
Wow, that was awesome. I loved seeing all the things that are different in a Peterless world. Also it was super intense. And very satisfying all all counts really.
I's official, while Peter's in the void, I'm shipping Our Olivia with Their Lee.
Although I wouldn't want an angsty love triangle when Peter returns. Maybe I should rethink this.