Hello, Watchers! Let us all gather ’round our television sets or our computers to witness the fifth episode of the sixth series of Doctor Who. Now this particular episode, titled “The Rebel Flesh,” is about something! And has characters! And that is all I know! So get your live blogging fingers ready!
I am just excited to see this rather fine shirt/bow tie combo myself.
This liveblog starts relative to you. So if it is airing on your television, start liveblogging away in the comments. Same for if you happen to be watching it online by less-than-legal means. (Though I would just time it with another time zone so you can comment with other people!) We already do this with Fringe and it works rather nicely. To avoid seeing spoilery comments regarding the episode from past livebloggers, I merely stay on the first page of comments and comment away, only going back after it’s over in order to comment on what other people said.
Sound fine? Just make sure not to post spoilers before this episode airs.
Enjoy!
Rory is dreadfully susceptible to a pretty girl with a sob story. It is nice to see him standing up to Amy a little now.
Even though I think it;s going to backfire.
Poor creatures. They seem to be these people in every sense of the word- but the personalities and memories are someone elses. It must be very hard fro everyone involved.
'Oh, great. That's just so typically me.' laughed.
'Oh great. That is just so typically me.' lol at clone humour.
Was that the orignial or the ganger…? The latter I think.
Because Us and Them never ends badly.
HUMANS ARE NOT THIS FUCKING STUPID GODDAMIT. PLEASE TELL ME WE AS A SPECIES ARE NOT THIS STUPID.
I would really, really like to, but I work in retail.
Amen, sister.
Oh god, thirded.
Make that fourthed.
Fifthed. Oi.
Sixed. We ARE that stupid.
Seventhed!
Sadly, a lot of our kind really really are… XD;
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it"
-MIB
Oh dear. Episode finishes soon.
I think Doctor!Clone may have come out a bit… wrong….
CLONE DOCTOR!!!!!! NEVER ENOUGH CAPLOCK OR EXCLAMATION MARKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!
That hand is going to be a Dr ganger, I know it. Especially with the hissed 'trust me'.
I find it so wonderfully fitting that when the Doctor gets cloned, the first thing he says is "trust me". Seriously, the only thing that would make nearly as much sense is "run!"
Zombie Doctor! I want him to start singing trust me trust me I'm the Doctor
I know, I know what I'm doing.
Someone must make this video. 😀
There's loooooads on youtube and actually thinking about it I may have seen it on a Confidential. It's like his unofficial theme song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B11DvIu3j90
There are totally gangers of Team TARDIS wandering around, aren't there.
urrrg the gangers on the ceiling.
You tell em Rory!
Good man!
OMG, are there going to be two Rories?
Then one can die and fill the episode quota.
Now that's just mean… XD
Yet sadly true. XD
Or two can die and Moffat can make up his "MUAHAHAHAHAHA" quota.
OMG!
Lol, shit. Clone!Doctor!!!!
Wow bad effect. Ganger!Jen's hair was flattened against the ceiling when she looking down on Human Jen.
Oh don't finish there, you bastard!
He said it. Woo!
FUCKING CLIFFHANGERS OMG
CLIFFGANGERS? 😛
That is just painfully punny.
Oh yes! It had to be! Clone! Doc!
Considering i had no faith what so ever in Matthew Graham after *cough* Fear Her *cough* that was pretty good!
Um, have you SEEN Life On Mars? Matthew Graham was one of its creators and wrote several episodes there. It's not like "Fear Her" is a norm for him (it was actually a very rushed job to replace the discarded Stephen Fry episode) – he's a great writer.
Mr T's Worlds Craziest Fools………WHAT?! What is this nonsense?!
Confidential! I can't believe they were working outdoors during that terrible cold spell.
OK, I…kinda loved it to be honest. My expectations were low (I mean, come on, how can you follow Neil GAIMAN?) but I was completely satisfied! And Rory was utterly brilliant and totally stole the show! Plus, cliffhanger? I totally knew it was coming but I did a little squee when he went all "Trust me, I'm the Doctor"! All in all looking forward to next week!
OMG.
OMG.
OMG.
I mean, I saw it coming, but still. WOAH.
I can't tell you what I'm thinking right now
I think I' m thinking it too!
Well that episode was… underwhelming. I know anything is going to unimpressive after The Doctor's Wife but that was – I'm not sure what I think yet. Is it just me or was the dialogue just sort of odd-sounding, not quite the right?
That was really bugging me, too! The characterisation seemed off, especially Rory, who was kind of acting more like he did before he became the badass we know and love today, and the one-liners were just… awkward. I'm so glad I'm not the only one annoyed by this!
+1
It seemed to be lacking a bit in the usual banter department alright. Which is too bad; it would have balanced the tension nicely. Even The Impossible Astronaut and Day of the Moon had that awesome dialog to even out the nightmare fuel bits.
I was seriously underwhelmed too. Hungry Earth plot + clunky dialogue = meh.
"Man up old bean!" Oh matt, i wuv you.
Such adorable banter between Team Tardis on Confidential.
Confidential's giving me flashbacks to that snow. I feel so bad for Matt, Karen and Arthur taking their big coats off.
OMG CHARLIE THE BADGER!
I would not have stepped out doors with out layers and my big coat and multiple pairs of socks.
I pretty much had to have multiple jumpers, gloves and a big blanket for weeks because the radiator by my desk didn't work. Not fun.
Every second of confidential I expected to see Charlie McDonnel /issocoollike wandering around!
Awwwwww he's got a badger. <3 <3 <3 <3
Lol, ur acid is frozed.
Thoughts on the episode because liveblogging is too distracting. (And apparently so is remembering the episode)
"<something about going to sort out the cockerel> Ooh, I never thought I'd get to say that again!"
OMG I DID NOT KNOW THIS WAS A TWO PARTER NOOOOO
Going to dig out all my Muse albums now. WHY IS EVERYONE CALLED MATT SO AWESOME.
Also THEORIES ABOUND GUYS…
I'm thinking of someone we saw get killed in 'The Impossible Astronaut' who looked very much like the Doctor…get my drift?
😀
*stars in eyes* SUCH A PERFECT IDEA.
Yeah this! But it has to be a red herring, surely? If the clone doctor was running around for 200 years he'd have developed a completely different personality by then.
Oh oh but it does explain why he never regenerated in those 200 years!
Remember that we still only have the Doctor's (or clone's) word for it that it's been 200 years.
OOOH. WITH ALL THE MEMORIES AND EVERYTHING. Physicality of a timelord, too? WE SHALL SEEEEEEEE/
Depends on whether the ganger Doctor survives past this story.
It'd be very out of character for the Doctor to get out of his death by throwing an identical version himself to the wolves, especially when he's spent this episode and the next defending their right to exist and be free.
But the Doctor doesn't (yet) know that he ("he"?) dies. It seems more like something Amy would come up with in desparation. And then perhaps Rory has to talk her out of it because of his special affinity with the clone-Jennifer.
I don't think he'd ever do that, of course – I was more thinking that clone!doctor would willingly participate in the deception for some reason. Or that perhaps he didn't know he was the clone and thought he was the real Doctor, and was unaware of what was going to happen to him.
I certainly don't see the Doctor throwing his clone to the wolves, as you said, but I can think of quite a few possible scenarios where what we thought was the Doctor was actually his duplicate.
A setup/a mix up/an accident/a trick/something timey-wimey…
It was just the first thought that popped into my head after watching that ep. I guess because I really really don't want the Doctor to die! 😛
Odds are clone!doctor won't survive the next episode though. 🙁
You're probably right. But I don't want any of our Doctors to die, even if he is a clone. He's still him damnit!
I wonder if Amy and Rory get this idea, too. Heck, they might even help arrange it!
I guess the Silence did look a bit like the Doctor… bit of a stretch, though.
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Wait…is that who I think it is?
Yes why do you think the Badger is called Charlie?
WHY HAVE I NOT SEEN THIS?
Going to watch old episodes of Confidential now.
😛
It wasn't on an actual confidential just online:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldWm0oVAlQ
Wait…when in the world did Charlie get a job with the BBC?
He didn't they just gave him the opportunity to make 3 or 4 short internet confidential pieces for Christmas.
I don't think it was in any of the proper episodes, just an online clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldWm0oVAlQ
I'm rofling at how much fun Matt's having with that thing. The big dork.
Further proof that Matt/the Eleventh Doctor is a Hufflepuff 😀
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/angelsgirl…
Gah. How do you format images into the post itself?
Last year i posted this on my Doctor Who group on Facebook and said "i bet this is what the Doctor listens to in the TARDIS. " And i was half right, he listens to Muse! I love it when i'm right! Muhahaha. http://youtu.be/ZjJRZafALsk
The sets are gorgeous tho. Excellent work team.
Diggin this music.
Lol, they're no where near as scary as the Silence. TBH I think the only scary one so far has been possibly!evil clone!Doctor.
They'd be more scary if I didn't recognise them as other more lovable characters from other stuff. That's not a scary ganger/dick acid miner(????) it's funny old slightly dozey Chris from Life on Mars and Ashes to Ashes.
Chris! Of course, I was wracking my brains trying to think who he was.
Lol lol lol, dick acid. (I know that's not what you meant, but it amuses me.)
CHRIS SKELTON!!!!!! <3 <3 <3
Was it just me or was the pacing really really off in that episode? Good concept and loved the Rory characterisation. I just felt like I was having a fever dream and stuff was just happening one thing after another with few connecting scenes. Like Rory runs away from the bathroom Jennifer then hides behind a crate while she calls to him and then just runs into her and talks to her? Why have the crate hiding scene at all? I feel like I'd have liked this alot more if I didn't know we only have one more episode when this two parter is over 🙁
Haven't seen the episode yet. So can I just gifspam.
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I love the way they're doing Karen's hair this series, it really suits her. Karen seems to get more and more beautiful every week. I suspect witchcraft is involved..
Yup, every week a fluffy puppy is ritually sacrificed. MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
That was pretty ok. As soon as the Doctor touched the goo I knew there'd be a Voldemort looking clone of him by the end.
My only cohernt thought about this episode:
MIND BLOWN FOREVER AND EVER FOR ALL TIME.
I begin at a weird time as my family and I went to go see PotC and get a Chinese to celebrate my mam's successful operation and the return of her tastebuds 🙂
But I shall have fun and be all speshul by myself.
My brother and I both began singing Muse as soon as it came on, aha. And I did laugh at the "accidents in the workplace" bit. Lulz. Much of it.
Matt Smith getting scanned gets all "aha, baby" about it. I bet he would be cool as a cucumber in the face of the full body scanners at airports. I genuinely hope the Doctor is asexual, though, that would give me a great asexual character to look up to <3 There are so few.
The Flesh…ew 🙁 That can be human beings, guys! DOCTOR WHAT ARE YOU DOING STOP
"No need to get poncy, it's just gunge." This guy wins many prizes. Or should.
LADY the Doctor is warning you and you are not listening! This can only end terribly badly!
I used to think that Dumbledore was asexual. And even after JK's little announcement, I still choose to believe he's asexual.
So there. Now there are two!
Eh, I think he could very well be asexual. Lots of asexual people still have romantic relationships, Dumbledore might just be homoromantic.
That is at the same time a beautiful and very sillly effect in the sky. Although god god what is going on nuuuuu
SHIT, THE TARDIS GUYS GUYS THE TARDIS SAVE HER SHE IS BEING EATEN BY ACID GUYS
MOTHER OF GOD THEIR FACES OMG OMG TRAUMA EEEEP WATER OF MARS FLASHBACKS THOSE THINGS DEEPLY FRIGHTENED ME
"For want of a better word, owww." N'aw, Rory.
If Jennifer doesn't die I will surprised. -"I thought I was going to die."
"Welcome to my world." Double aw, Rory.
It is amazing how goddamn sinister that record is. Meep.
I liked it.
I thought everyone went to war a bit suddenly, it was a bit drawn out and could have served just as well as 1 episode (assuming the next part just wraps this part up and they don't do anything wild), and the ending was predictable.
But I liked it. It was interesting, the so-called 'monsters' were good (especially for the fact that they're monsters that aren't really monsters at all), and it was beautifully directed and CGI'd. And Rory was my favorite part. ^_^
Also, totally forgot the writer also wrote Fear Her.
I believe this deserves its own post:
CHRIS SKELTON!!!!! <3 <3 <3
Holy shit, Jennifer. OMG OMG OMG NIGHTMARES GAG REFLEX
"WE. ARE. LIVING. OUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH"
Kind of laughed at that noise. It was quite silly.
All these motheruckers ucking with my shi, I find those faces really, really frightening. I don't know why, they are really scary to me. Now she is talking about red wellies and it's scaring me why are wellies so scary meep meep meep
Rooory, not the right question to ask, man! Try to help her or something. Aww, her little face, that's right, give her all the hugs ;-; She deserves them.
DOCTOR how did you not notice you were STANDING IN ACID YOU FOOL.
Guys you are just going to make evrything worse by not trusting them ;-; Though to be fair, they kind of look like worse Voldemorts.
WHOA Jennifer bit forward there. "Amy's a lucky girl."
"Yeah…she is. …Let's go." Aha, Rory, you get all the best lines, you awkward turtle you
LADY I knew it you are going to ruin everything
Oh Doctor never do accents. Just don't.
MIRANDA YOU MASSIVE DOUCHENOZZLE
Us and them ;-; Guuuuys no. Don't kill Jennifer, I love both her incarnations. Oh mofo no, Doctor! Not a creepy flesh Doctor messiah shitstorm I will be so traumatised eeep.
RORY WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK ARE YOU DOING WHY
Motherucker! Two parter 0-0 I don't know what to feel about this. Not as satisfying and heartwarming as the Doctor's Wife, but there is certainly potential there and I hope it's resolved well!
One thing I really liked was how you can work out exactly WHY Cleaves was acting like she did. 1. The ganger version of her says "oh this is so ME" which implies that she doesn't like herself much. 2. She probably reasons that the company or the army is going to kill these things once they find out so she can't let them become too "human" to her. 3. She is probably horrified by her previous words and actions like calling them objects like forklifts or drills and is finding it hard to reconcile those actions with this whole new species. 4. She is the commanding officer or person in charge so she's the one whose arse is going to be on fire when this is all over and the Doctor is gone. Seriously the Doctor does just flit in, do his thing then mosey on without really clearing up the major problem, usually leaving at least 50% of the people in the area dead.
Or maybe I'm really overthinking this and the director was just going for dumb humans ruin everything by being dumb.
Does anyone else keep reading Ganger as Granger, as in Hermione?
Actually, when the name was first released, I associated it with gangrene… 😛
I couldn't stop thinking of the Powder Gangers from Fallout New Vegas. So I was thinking of a load of chumps with dynamite.
Okay, I'm torn between laughing and being disgusted… XD The Doctor's face on the second pic doesn't help either…
Snowglobe? What? XD
This flesh stuff is creep. o_o;
…… This is terribly disgusting. XD;
o_o;
Eeee, ganger is falling apart. XD;
Creepy stretchy ganger. o_o;
Poor Rory is always forgotten. XD; lol.
Why the crap won't she put on an acid suit? >>;
Poor Jennifer flesh. XD;
"What're you doing down there?" Like it's her fault. XD Silly Doctor.
Amy's an idiot for wandering off on her own. XD;
Eyepatch lady again? Really?
This boss lady is evil. XD;
Miranda is….. wow. Poor dead guy. :<
And now Rory is being stupid. XD;
TWO PARTER! WHY?!?!?!?
this episode is going to have an almost impossible time following Doctor's Wife
okay, that is an unnerving opener. Everyone seems so calm that the guy's sitting there dying, and then a new him just pops back up!
Amy, so clever. You know the Doctor is up to something.
snowglobe?
Jennifer seems to be just as weirded out by the clones as Team Tardis. The CG of Jenniflesh growing is creepy. Also, why are solar flares so incredibly deadly in the future?
the lightning hits the Flesh. Very Frankenstein.
"I thought I was going to die." "Welcome to my world."
"Cars don't fly themselves." Hah I almost missed that.
betting that the people we see right now are the actual gangers.
…. what the flip just happened there? cg wasn't particularly good with the freaky elastineck.
I think the Doctor must have known instantly what was up with the leader flesh thing.
are these early autons or something?
what happened to the real women?
Rory that was the worst thing you could have said.
WINDOW LADY
Wow, badass, Rory.
this episode is so weird. i can't get a handle on the pacing or characterization of the minor chars.
that's going to be the Doctor ….called it. He looks really gross with that goopface.
Whew, I almost thought I was going to miss it tonight!
Here I am, ready for Doctor Who, ready to post random comments that will probably mostly be "HOLY SHIT." Or some such.
😀 😀 BRING IT ON.
It's a weird castle thing. With people in uniforms that makes them look like roaches….
And there's spacey-wacey technobabble. And steam.
O.O And… uh… someone just died and they don't seem to care….
Oh no wait, he's back now. These are the plastic people, I guess, then. Like Cylons! Only in plastic.
Obligatory comment complaining about the voiceover.
HELL YEAH IT'S ABOUT TO START.
I AM EXCITE. VERY EXCITE
From a distance, these guys looked like Sontarans.
Hello Rory! And Amy! Playing darts in the TARDIS. XD
While in the background, the Doctor continues to try to solve the mystery of Amy's Schroedinger's Fetus.
Have I mentioned that I'm not particularly fond of the Doctor's haircut? I miss the longer hair in the back. 🙁 Oh wells.
Muse in Doctor Who – WHUT?
(Nothing against Muse… it's just a little jarring is all).
Supply pipe in the thirteenth century? Odd.
Did… was that… a snow globe? o.O Did the Doctor just shake a snow globe and use it as though it's a technical radiation reading device or something?
"I'm telling you, when something's running toward you it's never for a nice reason!" Oh Rory. The practical one. This is probably why you die a lot.
He's too smart to live, sadly.
Ok, there are people. With weird suits. FIne.
And now there a weird thing. And a guy felt in it. Alright theeen…
THEN GUY STARTS MELTING. WHAT IS HAPPENING WHAT IS THIS OMG WHAT.
Oh it's the 22 century. That explains it.
yYAY RORY AND AMY BEING ADORABLE.
And also, WTF is with Muse in the background? Weird.
Awww… Amy kissed Rory's finger all better!
People in prison jumpsuits with 13th century-type lance-weapon-thingies.
Psychic paper is back! (what, no Nixon this time?)
You know, with all the talk about how they've survived, and will survive, I guess it's probably not coincidence the armor is very roach-like.
The Flesh(tm)
"Strange, for a moment there it was scanning me."
OH SHIT!
If the Doctor tastes that stuff, I'm leaving.
Oh, that was freaky.
What is the snow globe???
That's a very good question. Maybe it's just a snow globe?
It's the Doctor… it could go either way, really. It could be a very sophisticated piece of solar storm-tracking equipment, or it could be a snow globe.
Or it could be a Jammy Dodger…
… well, a Jammy Dodger with a chameleon circuit.
That's what happens when you don't clean your bathtub for a reeeeeeally long time.
The gunk inside comes alive, turns into a monster, and tries to eat you?
Of course, no one's been eaten, yet. That's just conjecture at this point.
Didn't you know? Gunk finds humans tasty.
LISTEN TO THE DOCTOR YOU IDIOTS.
-_-.
Story of his lives. Right?
He didn't learn anything from Midnight did he, coming into a secure facility, walking around like he owns the place and talking down to people might work on some but on others it's just going to piss them off and make things worse.